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Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on August 7th 2014, 7:12 pm

Hello,

IMPORTANT EDIT: Google now priorize HTTPS pages, and is indexing HTTPS pages by default: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.pt/2015/12/indexing-https-pages-by-default.html

So, Google have started to count in they search ranking algorithms (SEO) the support to SSL (encrypted connections/HTTPS).
More info on the Google Blog: http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.in/2014/08/https-as-ranking-signal_6.html

With this, websites that doesn't have support to HTTPS connection may rank worst, even if this only affect 1% of the global queries (for now, but may increase in the future, as said in the post)..
This could have impact in the SEO of our forums here. Right now, Forumotion doesn't have support to SSL certificates, but i think this it should be implemented, to avoid lower the SEO rank of a forum...

HTTPS is vastly used online in almost any major website, and create a secure connection betwen the users and the server. This could be a significant improve to the security of any Forumotion website/forum, as well to all the users and website/forum owners.
This could improve the security of the users and of they login details, but also in the general navigation around a Forumotions website/forums.

For this, i think is something to be considered for a future implementation.

My suggestion for this could be something like:
-> A "addon" to use with points
OR
-> Something enable by default to all the users
OR
-> A "addon" to points but with the possibility of the forum owners use they own SSL certificates (reducing costs to Forumotion side)

This are only 3 examples how this could be implemented...

EDIT:
and here we go....
Deadline: January of 2017


Don't forget to vote to help implement this (hope so). Smile
Thanks


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Re: Support for SSL

Post by SLGray on October 12th 2015, 1:39 am

Bumping to move this suggestion to the first page.


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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on December 17th 2015, 6:27 pm

Hi,

I will bump this once again...

Google now priorize HTTPS pages, and is indexing HTTPS pages by default: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.pt/2015/12/indexing-https-pages-by-default.html

When will Forumotion being in the future by offering SSL (at least, as a paid option)? It's something that no one will escape, and Forumotion is being behind....

Or even more easy, why don't add Cloudflare support to all the servers, that allow the user of FREE SSL to all the users with a domain? A suggestion already done multiple times in the past but appears to be completly ignored for the most users and by the Forumotion Team:
http://help.forumotion.com/t106271-allow-integration-with-cloudflare?highlight=cloudflare
http://help.forumotion.com/t108434-cloudflare?highlight=cloudflare
http://help.forumotion.com/t90171-cloudflare-new-cdn-solution-for-high-demand-forums?highlight=cloudflare
(the last link was considered as "advertise", but i can't see why at all)

This is really frustating... The users are being limited to something that is the future, and more important, IS BAD FOR SEO don't have SSL.
Every website that have a login form (as ALL THE FORUMS) must have SSL...

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by Wolfuryo on December 20th 2015, 6:14 pm

Voted YES.

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by wallart on December 20th 2015, 8:52 pm

You have my vote as well.
that is priority that needs your Attention For site Ranking. Idea

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on January 28th 2016, 1:38 pm

Just a heads up:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/google-will-soon-shame-all-websites-that-are-unencrypted-chrome-https

This isn't a suggestion anymore.
This is a MUST for all the sites... unless forumotion doesn't care about security...

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by Niko on January 28th 2016, 2:35 pm

@tugatech forumotion does care about security, but a ssl certificate is required for security when you need to pass personal informations such as credit cards, etc..
When you post a message or a new topic, there is nothing that should be encypted, because a forum is something public, and everybody will be able to access them. Basically SSL is useful when you have payment or stuffs like that on your website (PayPal for example is under https).

By the way, I agree with you.. this could be a good service that could be included with credits thumleft

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on January 28th 2016, 2:55 pm

@Niko well, yes and no... Smile

The SSL encrypts the connection, and is, for sure, useful for websites like Paypal or any other.
BUT the forums also have some points that are considered "sensitive" info:
- Email
- Username (not so much, but still)
- Password

This data is used in ANY forum, and is private to the user itself.
And how many users there is that register a account here and have the same password in multiple websites? Or even the same password as used for the email account?

Every website that use a password as login based system is passing private information, and so, all the forumotion websites are passing sensitive information that requires some kind of encryption...

And, despite i don't like "Google" making the rules for the Internet, he is still a major "part" of the internet.
Google is already hurting the SEO of websites without SSL. How many visitors will any forum (or any website in the internet) lose if he stop appearing in the Google search results? Or being "hurt" for this? Smile

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by Niko on January 28th 2016, 3:45 pm

I totally agree with this, but I don't think google will hurt the SEO of non-SSL websites too much.. maybe just a bit Embarassed

anyway, you should know that Forumotion has one of the best security system ever, and that password is not saved as it is.. there are different and advanced encryption functions in php.
But no worries: I voted yes! Very Happy

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by benjsun123 on January 29th 2016, 7:41 pm

IMO, when login information is concerned, SSL encryption is a reasonable security requirement (otherwise username/passwords get sent in cleartext over the net).

The reason why most sites don't implement it (and possibly why forumotion doesn't already have SSL support), is usually due to the fact that SSL Certificates tend to be somewhat expensive, and require a fair bit of technical know-how, as well as a lot of time and effort to implement and maintain correctly. In fact, incorrectly deployed SSL can cause even more problems than no SSL at all.

tldr: SSL is expensive and hard to implement properly.

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on January 29th 2016, 7:48 pm

A simple SSL certificate cost around 7-10 USD/year.
And a simple SSL wildcard can start in 20-40 USD/year (this one to protect all subdomains (for instance, ****.forumotion.com)
Or even totaly free: https://letsencrypt.org/ (still in beta, but already implemented in Chrome, Firefox and other browsers as a valid certificate).

But, again, im not suggesting this to be free. Could be as a paid addon. Smile

And related with the implementation, thats not true.
Implement SSL in a server is as easy as install apache itself. in less that 10 minutes....

Sure, needs to be adapted (probably) to the forumotion system used in the Forumotion servers, but thats the easy part. The "hard" part, to be honest, doesn't exist...
Even a kid can configure SSL in Apache (just a example: https://www.digicert.com/ssl-certificate-installation-apache.htm )

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on April 8th 2016, 11:06 pm

Hi

Just a quick "heads up":
https://en.blog.wordpress.com/2016/04/08/https-everywhere-encryption-for-all-wordpress-com-sites/

+1 big service that will offer SSL by default to everyone (and for free).
Is needed any more proof that SSL is a "a must have" in any website now? Smile

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on May 17th 2016, 1:14 pm

Little bump...
One more:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonreich/buzzfeed-and-https?utm_term=.tpOO885qPA#.sh1MLLZE8V

Well, appears thar Forumotion will never get this… I see new functions with little to no interest going live, but something that should be a BASIC function doesn't even get any attention... probably this isn't getting to much attection now becouse most of the users don't care or don't even know what a SSL is, but is a internet primary thing in this days to any service online...

Yes, Forumotion can claim that everything is secure in the server end, but is VERY UNSECURE on the websites/public part of it. And that is a large portion of the problem….

No protection from passwords and login data (what can be used to control a forum, especially if is a Admin account), no secure send of messages/posts, not along Google guidelines for security (and for the internet itself in this days), hurt in the SEO rankings, ALL the forums vulnerable to malware (in conjunction with the Forumotion bad reputation free ads provider - but that is another story), man in the middle attacks, and so long...

So no, Forumotion isn't no longer a "secure service" (or any other service that doesn't/refuse to provide a secure access to they online services, no mather what type of service)...
Forumotion cannot tell the users that is "secure" by the today standards on the internet when not even the main website is SSL protected ( http://www.forumotion.com )

Hope someone with actualy knowledge of this, and/or from the Forumotion team, can someday read this and treat it as a high priority implementation, not just a "extra"...


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Re: Support for SSL

Post by APE on May 17th 2016, 3:11 pm

I vote yes but i don't know nothing about this sort of thing really and it makes me a little lost  Huh but you still get my vote if it makes our sites safety more safe Doh





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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on May 17th 2016, 3:15 pm

@APE wrote:I vote yes but i don't know nothing about this sort of thing really and it makes me a little lost  Huh but you still get my vote if it makes our sites safety more safe Doh

Thanks for the support on this suggestion! Smile

That post from Buzzfeed indeed explain very well why SSL is important (see the "What does it do?" part). That are just a few examples, but there is a lot more...
Take a look when you have some spare time: https://goo.gl/NZxxes
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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on June 11th 2016, 3:34 pm


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Re: Support for SSL

Post by giyatogujo on June 11th 2016, 4:02 pm

Every website that i visited have moved on to HTTPS.
Why not?

Voted Yes

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by Star Blade on July 25th 2016, 11:29 pm

Voted yes.
SSL isn't just important for SEO, it's also key for the client side of the login process. It offers greater security for the login process, for private messages exchanged, for private forums / forums with selective permissions, etc. I've been considering other forum hosts because of this, but would love to stay with Forumotion if they incorporated SSL. It's being more widely adopted all the time.

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by FiskBlack on August 5th 2016, 4:21 am

And another vote for SSL here.

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on August 7th 2016, 12:16 pm

Thank you for the support.
Glad to see that im not the only one thinking that this could be good to Forumotion... Smile

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on September 9th 2016, 2:11 am

Well, welcome to 2016, Forumotion. Becouse your still in the year 2000...
Just FYK: https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/08/chrome-is-helping-kill-http/

Soon, everyone that have a forum here in Forumotion will start to see a insecure webpage warning in Chrome.
Don't give the excuse that isn't being sent "secure data" or "credit cards details", becouse is "PASSWORDS"! Every website have login forms!

And to other users, don't vote "NO" in this only becouse you don't know what is SSL. Soon or later, this will also affect you.
Read a little before vote. And PLEASE, vote to get this from the "graveyard"... (i don't know if i am allowed to say this, but VOTE to someone from Forumotion get attention to this!)

Still, no one from Forumotion takes a look at this?
I see functions going live that have none or little interest to 90% of the users, and big problems like this are being ignored...
This is frustrating... And sorry if i look a little "angry", but that is because i AM!

Only in the last day, or when everyone start to freak out that are receiving a error in they browser (and coming here to get "support")? Is only then that Forumotion will do something ? (if, becouse they can just ignore)

I have seen this exact same problem happend with the Facebook Login system.
For reference: http://help.forumotion.com/t138198-upgrade-facebook-sdk-to-v2

I have come here to inform the Forumotion community about the end of the Facebook API and the need to a update in the Facebook Login system here in Forumotion (this in January, the limit time was until April). Almost no one have listen and/or doesn't understand (well, kudos to the few that have and supported)...
and only AFTER the system have gone down, users started to complain in this forum and a few days later, is when someone actually have done something!

The forumotion team only reacts AFTER the problems have been done.
At least give some answers or a little information. Your service is free, but some of us have invested MONEY into your company! You have paid options, and ads that get clicks. And don't let me even start in how shady this is in limit every option to not let the users get out of here (your ToS, sorry to say, are full of "loop-holes", errors and are agains some laws in France - where "Forumotion" is located, and put "Forumotion" in quotes becouse this is not the legal name, and the "legal" name is no where to be found - someone should check that, but thats another story)...

So, this will continue to get ignored? Really? @Leviosa , @TheGodfather , @SLGray , no one?
And again, sorry my frustation... let me drink a coffe to calm my head. Smile

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by SLGray on September 9th 2016, 2:47 am

Forumotion is the English community of the French company that offers the service.

It could be that the techs are already working on this. Everything is not reported to the public or the voluntary staff here. They do not come here and reply to the suggestions.


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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on September 9th 2016, 10:22 am

Hi @SLGray ,

Yes, i understand that. And i know that, probably, you (and others) also don't know what is "going on".
But even in the French forum no one does (for what i see).

But, about this, is something that should be checked BEFORE gets in place, not after... Sad

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by hamidou5765 on September 10th 2016, 6:26 pm

YES

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech on November 22nd 2016, 7:36 pm

Just a quick update here for those that are interested.

When is time to say something good, that should also be said. And today i found some progress:



FINNALY something is being done that WE (users) can see...
Still not perfect, as is only for the "forumactif.com" domain and the website still doesn't load in HTTPS (now he redirects for the http version), but is there!
Kudos to all the team!

Now is just wait for a release of the SSL/HTTPS. Smile

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by Walt on November 23rd 2016, 12:47 am

It's obvious that Forumotion is aware of the issue, and you may have noticed that Forumotion and its partners are working together to move progressively towards the standard that HTTPS is today. For example the site Servimg.com is already passed in HTTPS. Same for IPgetinfo.com, Onlineguardian.net and even Hitskin.com. I guess that when the partners will be ready, Forumotion will align too. Wink

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Re: Support for SSL

Post by tugatech Yesterday at 7:39 pm

and here we go....
Deadline: January of 2017

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