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Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 4:41 pm

Ok so we got the warning bar now. Is there a way we can regain a full bar for following the forum rules for some time.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by CANADIEN on November 16th 2008, 4:48 pm

I think it might be alright. But if it's something serious, isn't it the person who did it's fault?

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Demonspike on November 16th 2008, 4:49 pm

I would think this is up to Admin Discression Kilsek and therefore cannot really be a votable poll.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by zinex on November 16th 2008, 5:00 pm

I think once a warning has been passed it should stay that way. The point of the warnings is so members know they have done something wrong, so should be better behaved because of that...not just say, to get their warning bar up to full, so they have another three chances to cause trouble again.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 5:07 pm

Oh so once a person has a bad mark, they should be marked for the rest of their days.

No second chances? If no second chances are given the why ban someone, let them come back and then they become staff.

Forumotion already has a history of giving second chances. I am not saying that all warnings should be erased:

Dont get erased:

Direspect staff or member

Get erased:

Double posting
Moderating-this can be on both lists really it varies on if the poster was like "Dont used bold text" or "you shouldnt use bold text.

The later is the one that should be removed.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Demonspike on November 16th 2008, 5:11 pm

Fair point!

I am sure the staff have a system 'Kilsek', they do not necessarily need to show it to everyone via board postings.

Just assume they do have a system and that it works!

Then you won't have to worry about it. Smile

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 5:12 pm

I agree totally as my warning is a scamite power trip special, I happened to post as he was locking a topic yet didn't get the pop up. Evil or Very Mad

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by zinex on November 16th 2008, 5:12 pm

Thats never been the case in the past kilsek, the only difference is that the warning system is now actually visable to members. Its not about second chances, you are actually given THREE chances in the first place before a ban is implemented. Smile Perhaps though there could be suggestion to appeal warnings if you feel they were not warranted.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by astrodene on November 16th 2008, 5:14 pm

I voted yes. Good behaviour should be rewarded just as bad behaviour should be punished

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 5:15 pm

@zinex wrote:Thats never been the case in the past kilsek, the only difference is that the warning system is now actually visable to members. Its not about second chances, you are actually given THREE chances in the first place before a ban is implemented. Smile Perhaps though there could be suggestion to appeal warnings if you feel they were not warranted.

Like the lame warnings we get for moderating?

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by zinex on November 16th 2008, 5:19 pm

yes like those.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Jalokim on November 16th 2008, 5:47 pm

I say no ...
1) when we had the system without images no-one had a problem with this
2) Once you abuse someone, or break the rules numerous times it should be remembered... just like a permanent record over at your police department.
3) There will be happy go lucky members that will break the rules disappear and come back in a while and have a green bar.
4) Or they'll be people that abuse members ... on the forum or via Pm they'll stack up a few warns , then they'll act all nice and kind to get back to green? I don't think so.

From what I recall these ranks were implemented because the members of the forum wanted to see their progress as warns are concerned. They didn't ask for a change in the system. This is just a graphic representation of what is written on the admin/mod notes box.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Demonspike on November 16th 2008, 5:51 pm

@Jalokim wrote:
This is just a graphic representation of what is written on the admin/mod notes box.

So Jalokim, I was infact right?

Admin/Mods DO have a system which works, therefore we no longer have to wory about it and also can be assured that the system is fair, without needing proof posted all over the boards.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 5:51 pm

So ok we get three warning and get banned. Then we come back and get three more chances?

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Jalokim on November 16th 2008, 5:58 pm

NO!
don't you guys know the system?

we have a 3 strikes system ... 3 warns and you are banned, and 3 reps = 1 warn... but there can also be culminate warns for double posting and really small reminders...

if you are banned and come back... you have no 3 warn system... if the staff finds you then its reported and if a banned member comes back all he needs to do is step out of line once to get banned again.
if a banned member is not found then he basically gets 3 warns again, but the IP is checked by the staff,when a member is acting suspiciously. But if that member who was once banned behaves over a period of 1 month, he gets his bar back to normal as a new member.

thanks to the warn images we have a 3way safety insurance... all warns and bans are reported in a hidden staff forum, nextly that info is registered in your profiles and now on your rank images.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 6:01 pm

So why is an ex staff member not getting an immediate ban for his recent exploits?
As he was once a banned member.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Jalokim on November 16th 2008, 6:04 pm

The staff decided that due to the situation , and many other factor that came into play... the demodification of that staff member was an accurate punishment as voted by most of the staff.

After todays meetings and chats with the ex staff member, he decided to move on , so we have no need to take any more action, but his profile is marked as one without the 3 warn system.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 6:04 pm

@Jalokim wrote:NO!
don't you guys know the system?


No we don't that is why we are asking! Jesus get a grip.

So special circumstances were given to scamite then? He was banned came back got to be mod, went on power trip banned people without just cause, disrespected a Global mod (although via IM) and he isn't banned again?

What our questions is:

We get banned for three warnings, thats it we are banned permanetly? Or for a certain amount of days?

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by zinex on November 16th 2008, 6:08 pm

scamites situation has been discussed and dealt with. If this topic brings all that up once more, i will lock it. If there is a complaint over how things have been done, there will soon be a thread to add your complaint to, until now, you would pm an admin.

And the answer to your question is: banned permenantly. There may be special circumstances, where a ban has been incurred unfairly that results in it being lifted.


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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Cherry Blossom on November 16th 2008, 6:10 pm

Voted yes

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Jalokim on November 16th 2008, 6:18 pm

oh... man
my post got delete somehow.... darn....
I wasn't shouting... sorry about the !

well all the important info was as follows...
that yes scamite had his own... set of circumstances... but we as staff have learnt our lesson and added a few regulations to staff applications.

apart from that I wanted to remind you kilsek that you are also running on special circumstances... your quota for reps and warns is off the scale and yet you are in the orange. but you are somewhat of a role model for members on the forum... you are able to bend rules without breaking them (too much) ... but sometimes you do push it...

edit... i also wrote that I thought you guys knew the system... i knew about it since i registered on this site...

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Demonspike on November 16th 2008, 6:39 pm

Seems a fair system to me to be honest.. also a well thought of one.

I have given this some thought 'Kilsek' and I have come to this conclusion.

The whole, getting rid of Warnings is a good idea, like someone rightly said, If you are out of line then you get warnings, but if you are good then you get appraised and have them removed.

However, my concern is the same as the staff concerns, about someone doing all they can to get as high a warning before they are banned, then they do everything they can to remove those and start the process over again, tricking the system via it's OWN limitations.

But I have an idea...

If the ratio's were different say, you get one warning, but to lose that warning, you'd have to do at least ten good deeds to remove it... so long as the redemption number is higher and increases with each level of warning, then I can see that your idea could actually work out.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by ECarminan15 on November 16th 2008, 9:03 pm

I consider the warnings around this board the more extreme reminders.

I don't see how this'll work out, even though we're only humans not machines.

...But still, almost about everyone here owns a forum, so it's kinda understandable that they don't want any immature people (And lots of spam) around here.

I vote no.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 9:55 pm

@Kilsek wrote:No second chances? If no second chances are given the why ban someone, let them come back and then they become staff.
Please. You do not know how hard I fought and how much convincing and negotiating took place over those 2 - 3 weeks. I do not wish to be referred to ever again in any of your posts.
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I vote "No" on this suggestion because you can now see how many warnings you have, therefore you always know how far you have left to go until your ban. There is no longer any excuse for not knowing that you had a warning.

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Post by Guest on November 16th 2008, 10:13 pm

Unfortunately many people will be referring to you for sometime as you were allowed back after getting three warnings and now if someone gets three warning they are banned permanetly.

ANd here you site with no warnings after what you did not to mention what you said to one of the most respected mods on this site.

But I will respect your wish not to refer to you.

Have a good day

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@Kilsek wrote:No second chances? If no second chances are given the why ban someone, let them come back and then they become staff.
Please. You do not know how hard I fought and how much convincing and negotiating took place over those 2 - 3 weeks. I do not wish to be referred to ever again in any of your posts.
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I vote "No" on this suggestion because you can now see how many warnings you have, therefore you always know how far you have left to go until your ban. There is no longer any excuse for not knowing that you had a warning.

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Post by Jazeon on November 16th 2008, 10:54 pm

Hey , I loved the warning bar can you share the image!

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by zinex on November 17th 2008, 12:34 am

@zinex wrote:scamites situation has been discussed and dealt with. If this topic brings all that up once more, i will lock it. If there is a complaint over how things have been done, there will soon be a thread to add your complaint to, until now, you would pm an admin.

Obviously i am talking to myself here. Last chance before i lock this thread, take it to pm's, or complain to admin.

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Post by Doctor Inferno on November 17th 2008, 3:05 am

Voted yes.

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Demonspike on November 17th 2008, 6:57 am

@zinex wrote:
Obviously i am talking to myself here. Last chance before i lock this thread, take it to pm's, or complain to admin.

This is NOT true Zinex, I am always here listening to you... and will always listen to you whenever you want me to ... you are not alone! ^_^ Mr. Green

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Re: Warnings deleted for good Behavior

Post by Darren1 on November 17th 2008, 7:50 am

I am also with Demonspike, i respect, and listen to the admin/mods decission evan if i think its wrong..I right it down on paper than put it in the bin (hence no-one other than the trash man see it), Demonspike, Ur also not alone loove Mr. Green

Refering to this:
@Jalokim wrote:apart from that I wanted to remind you kilsek that you are also running on special circumstances... your quota for reps and warns is off the scale and yet you are in the orange. but you are somewhat of a role model for members on the forum... you are able to bend rules without breaking them (too much) ... but sometimes you do push it...

What special circumstances is kilsek on?
And yes, you are a role model, but sometime..you dont seem it.

I vited no, because.. i aggree here with scamite
scamite wrote:because you can now see how many warnings you have, therefore you always know how far you have left to go until your ban. There is no longer any excuse for not knowing that you had a warning.
Though this does hav advantages/disadvantages, they over-ride each other I like the user-viewable warning system.
However, i beleive the once banned, forever banned rule is incorect.
Why? because say, if someone guesses ur account because ur password was easy...You cant access ur account to explain ur case.
What does the user do?
Make a new account, talks to an admin/mod about it.
account banned; (reason) User was previously banned...and still is.
Hence we cannot attempt to clear our case.

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