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View member PM logs/messages

Post by spirit09 on August 26th 2010, 5:50 pm

Do you think it would be helpful to be able to view the PM logs of our users?

This would be very helpful when grievences occur or when members are accused of mass PM for advertising etc.

It could work in a similar way to the report a post system?

I am wary of this as there is a worry that it may be abused, but if only founders have this option, then realistically there should be no worry - right??

Vote and discuss please.

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Post by Saxaca on August 26th 2010, 5:57 pm

If it was made so we only may read Reported PM's, yes.

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Post by Walshy95 on August 26th 2010, 6:35 pm

I am voting yes, but only have this as a report function for PMs. It would just be totally unnaceptable to have this option so we can read user's PMs.

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Post by APE on August 26th 2010, 8:10 pm

im with the rest of you

if you have this only admin should have the right and only a pop up sys where if the pm has been reported then the staff can see it....




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Post by tlws on August 26th 2010, 8:18 pm

I can see the benefit in this--to a point. What if there were harassment claims or something like that? It'd be beneficial to be able to look back through the logged conversations and see what's really up. (You know how he said she said things go with reporting.)

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Re: View member PM logs/messages

Post by Guest on August 26th 2010, 9:17 pm

So , this is illegal and immoral ! No

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Post by KingOfSports on August 27th 2010, 3:29 am

It's ILLEGAL for moderator and admins to read PM's sent by other users, so WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO READ MEMBER PM'S.

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Post by Jophy on August 27th 2010, 3:52 am

What if a member reported all the private messages sent to him/her by a specific members even without any reason, This is Illegal and won't be implemented really.

Private means Private, So I'm voting no.

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Post by StoneRaven on August 27th 2010, 4:10 am

It isn't illegal and immoral if someone has reported a pm. They will more than likely send a copy of it to the admin anyways when they report one. Harassment and mass spamming now that is illegal and immoral and this would help to deal with it. No way for anyone to lie and at least this way you can see for a fact if what is said is 100% true.

I voted yes but with this stipulation. Only founders will have this sort of access and only for a reported pm. Now having access to everyones pm's would be immoral so only reported ones.

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Post by LH Justin on August 27th 2010, 4:58 am

No, private messages are supposed to be private. I don't want anyone reading messages I send to others, even administrators.

Look at it this way, would you want other people reading your email?

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Post by StoneRaven on August 27th 2010, 3:06 pm

@LH Justin wrote:No, private messages are supposed to be private. I don't want anyone reading messages I send to others, even administrators.

Look at it this way, would you want other people reading your email?

Did you not read all the post??? It would be for a reported pm only, no other pm's but the reported one. Like mentioned above it should have a pop up for the founder only when a pm is reported and a copy of just that pm. Not give access to their pms just the reported one and it would be an automatic thing, not a go and look through others pm's sort of thing.

That way no one could go and change anything to make it into something it's not. I have had a few to do that on another forum that I am admin at and it causes more issues that way. At least this way no one can change any text of the reported pm.

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Re: View member PM logs/messages

Post by spirit09 on August 27th 2010, 7:29 pm

Thank you all for you comments.

I stated in my original post that this should work as the post report system does and that only the founder would have any access.

Immoral - only if you were able to sit and read through each and every members PM, whenever you chose to...

Illegal - no, there are many sites that I know of that this is standard practise and more than just the founder have access to the system.

would I want someone to read my PM - if needed, yes

It would not equate to reading someones email - because that is not part of a forum, that is seperate.

keep discussing - it is worth noting that this is a suggestion only and should be treated as such - thank you.

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Re: View member PM logs/messages

Post by KingOfSports on August 27th 2010, 7:58 pm

This thread is going to be closed soon because people don't know what illegal means.

IT IS ILLEGAL ON FORUMOTION FORUMS TO READ PM'S RECEIVED AND SENT BY OTHER MEMBERS.

Illegal means that if you read other members PM's, you can get your forum banned.

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Re: View member PM logs/messages

Post by StoneRaven on August 27th 2010, 8:17 pm

@KingOfSports wrote:This thread is going to be closed soon because people don't know what illegal means.

IT IS ILLEGAL ON FORUMOTION FORUMS TO READ PM'S RECEIVED AND SENT BY OTHER MEMBERS.

Illegal means that if you read other members PM's, you can get your forum banned.

Can you please point out where in the TOS or anywhere else that it may appear that it is Illegal on forumotion? Because even on here if you get spammed or harassed the rules plainly state, "If you received advertising, pornographic content or insults by PM, you must send the whole message and a screenshot of that message to a moderator via PM. Posting it in a topic is useless and will only cause conflicts between you and the one who sent you the PM"


So if it's ok on here why is it not ok on everyone elses forum? Saying this is illegal is just wrong, I mean if it's illegal then forumotion it's self is breaking it's own rules. Also does a no vote mean that you wont be following the set rules of forumotion? Staff needs to read and know the rules of the site before they go and say something is illegal. Not starting anything but just pointing this out so don't take it to heart or the wrong way.

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Re: View member PM logs/messages

Post by KingOfSports on August 27th 2010, 10:32 pm

What you took a screenshot of is not reading other members PM's. That's the member sending a PM to a staff member with a screenshot.

ILLEGAL: Admins/Moderators reading other member's PM's.
NOT ILLEGAL: Members sending screenshots to Admins/Mods

What is being suggested in this thread is that admins/mods should be able to read other member's PMs.

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Re: View member PM logs/messages

Post by LH Justin on August 28th 2010, 1:15 am

@StoneRaven wrote:
@KingOfSports wrote:This thread is going to be closed soon because people don't know what illegal means.

IT IS ILLEGAL ON FORUMOTION FORUMS TO READ PM'S RECEIVED AND SENT BY OTHER MEMBERS.

Illegal means that if you read other members PM's, you can get your forum banned.

Can you please point out where in the TOS or anywhere else that it may appear that it is Illegal on forumotion? Because even on here if you get spammed or harassed the rules plainly state, "If you received advertising, pornographic content or insults by PM, you must send the whole message and a screenshot of that message to a moderator via PM. Posting it in a topic is useless and will only cause conflicts between you and the one who sent you the PM"


So if it's ok on here why is it not ok on everyone elses forum? Saying this is illegal is just wrong, I mean if it's illegal then forumotion it's self is breaking it's own rules. Also does a no vote mean that you wont be following the set rules of forumotion? Staff needs to read and know the rules of the site before they go and say something is illegal. Not starting anything but just pointing this out so don't take it to heart or the wrong way.
It isn't the same thing. A member reporting being spammed by other users is very different than administrators going into a member's PM box and reading private conversations between people.

A believe France has a privacy law that also applies to Internet cases as well and Forumotion abides by it. Even if there isn't, it's just plain immoral to go reading though people's private messages.

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Post by spirit09 on August 28th 2010, 1:21 am

Can you please re read the original message - this suggestion is not for admins to have free reign over PM - which is what you are intent on making it

it is for the founder only to be able to review a PM if it has been reported to them for whatever reason - to determine facts and possible outcome.

Please can you show the rule thats states that it is illegal - because if this is the case, wouldnt the thread have been moved already? This must be a forumotion rule only....

I am pretty sure that the admins of this site can read your PMs - as can most sites, at least this way it will be a monitored, restricted service for founders only.

Once you provide this information the suggestion can be used to see if it should be allowed.

I am also a strong believer that Private Messages are not secure anyway - I would always use my personal email for anything I didnt want read - seems you may have things to hide?

and we are in the UK here.

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Post by KingOfSports on August 28th 2010, 1:24 am

If someone reports a PM fine, but that should be the only case where someone's PM is read.

The thread hasn't been moved because no moderators have sent the thread to a G.Mod to be moved.

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Post by spirit09 on August 28th 2010, 1:30 am

@KingOfSports wrote:If someone reports a PM fine, but that should be the only case where someone's PM is read.

The thread hasn't been moved because no moderators have sent the thread to a G.Mod to be moved.

now we may be getting somewhere - thank you for re reading.

The only time a PM would be read would be if it is reported to the founder admin, no one else.

That has always been the suggestion.

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Post by LH Justin on August 28th 2010, 1:34 am

@spirit09 wrote:Can you please re read the original message - this suggestion is not for admins to have free reign over PM - which is what you are intent on making it

it is for the founder only to be able to review a PM if it has been reported to them for whatever reason - to determine facts and possible outcome.

Please can you show the rule thats states that it is illegal - because if this is the case, wouldnt the thread have been moved already? This must be a forumotion rule only....

I am pretty sure that the admins of this site can read your PMs - as can most sites, at least this way it will be a monitored, restricted service for founders only.

Once you provide this information the suggestion can be used to see if it should be allowed.

I am also a strong believer that Private Messages are not secure anyway - I would always use my personal email for anything I didnt want read - seems you may have things to hide?

and we are in the UK here.
Well from past experiences of people being able to read private messages the only thing that has come out of it is stolen passwords and banned members because of their opinion of a staff member.

Although this is not the intent of the suggestion this is what will happen. Forumotion is a strong believer in privacy and I'd like to keep it that way.

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Post by spirit09 on August 28th 2010, 1:48 am



It would seem that the past experiences you have had have not been good, I guess it would depend on the founder of the site being willing to stake any reputation they have by abusing such a feature. As it is only repeat only founder members that would be able to use this feature.

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Post by LH Justin on August 28th 2010, 1:54 am

@spirit09 wrote:

It would seem that the past experiences you have had have not been good, I guess it would depend on the founder of the site being willing to stake any reputation they have by abusing such a feature. As it is only repeat only founder members that would be able to use this feature.
This thing is you would be safe on no forum. You'd have to carefully word and watch each and every PM on every forum.

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Post by spirit09 on August 28th 2010, 1:58 am

I dont understand what you mean, you would not need to change a thing that you were doing, unless you were harrassing/bullyiing/advertising/etc.. non stop via PM - which is exactly what this suggestion would stop, therefore making forums safer places to be..

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Post by LH Justin on August 28th 2010, 2:00 am

@spirit09 wrote:I dont understand what you mean, you would not need to change a thing that you were doing, unless you were harrassing/bullyiing/advertising/etc.. non stop via PM - which is exactly what this suggestion would stop, therefore making forums safer places to be..
You're missing the point, what if you have a secret project going on, or you're discussing something of private concerns. The founder can just violate everything and open you PM. Letting administrators read private messages will only make forums more dangerous.

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Post by spirit09 on August 28th 2010, 2:12 am

@LH Justin wrote:
@spirit09 wrote:I dont understand what you mean, you would not need to change a thing that you were doing, unless you were harrassing/bullyiing/advertising/etc.. non stop via PM - which is exactly what this suggestion would stop, therefore making forums safer places to be..
You're missing the point, what if you have a secret project going on, or you're discussing something of private concerns. The founder can just violate everything and open you PM. Letting administrators read private messages will only make forums more dangerous.

You are missing the point - no one will be able to open PMs whenever they chose. The founder admin would only be able to view a PM that has been reported to them by a member who wished to report that they were being bullied/harrassed etc. This would exclude any way of altering the PM so that is doesnt say what it originally said, as could be the case when copying and forwarding on.

Now if you are not or will not ever be involved in any of this - then your PM wouldnt get reported and so would not be seen by anyone, ever! So the only people that are at risk of having there PM read are those that take part in undesirable PM activities - making forums safer..

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Post by LH Justin on August 28th 2010, 2:15 am

@spirit09 wrote:
@LH Justin wrote:
@spirit09 wrote:I dont understand what you mean, you would not need to change a thing that you were doing, unless you were harrassing/bullyiing/advertising/etc.. non stop via PM - which is exactly what this suggestion would stop, therefore making forums safer places to be..
You're missing the point, what if you have a secret project going on, or you're discussing something of private concerns. The founder can just violate everything and open you PM. Letting administrators read private messages will only make forums more dangerous.

You are missing the point - no one will be able to open PMs whenever they chose. The founder admin would only be able to view a PM that has been reported to them by a member who wished to report that they were being bullied/harrassed etc. This would exclude any way of altering the PM so that is doesnt say what it originally said, as could be the case when copying and forwarding on.

Now if you are not or will not ever be involved in any of this - then your PM wouldnt get reported and so would not be seen by anyone, ever! So the only people that are at risk of having there PM read are those that take part in undesirable PM activities - making forums safer..
What about members who would abuse the feature? Personally I still don't think anyone should be able to read your PMs in any way at all. The normal way to report things like this is fine.

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Post by spirit09 on August 28th 2010, 2:24 am

Why would a member abuse this? what would it gain?

Any member that abused it would only have a mark against themselves, which would be pointless.

If you mean, copy & paste, and send on to whomever - who is to say that the message has been altered to show something that wasnt there before?

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Post by LH Justin on August 28th 2010, 2:45 am

@spirit09 wrote:Why would a member abuse this? what would it gain?

Any member that abused it would only have a mark against themselves, which would be pointless.

If you mean, copy & paste, and send on to whomever - who is to say that the message has been altered to show something that wasnt there before?
Screenshots?

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Post by spirit09 on August 28th 2010, 2:50 am

Not all can do screen shots, I deal with some very limited PC users...

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Post by LH Justin on August 28th 2010, 2:58 am

@spirit09 wrote:Not all can do screen shots, I deal with some very limited PC users...
Every PC has a keyboard an MS Paint, not that hard.

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