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Post by azathoth on October 14th 2011, 7:41 am

http://help.forumotion.com/t93458-warrior-cats-world-forum-review

I see they have removed their address from the review, pretty suspicious behaviour there, but I have it myself.

Out site: http://warriorcatsrpg.com/
Internet archive capture of our site this past March, where the stolen icons were taken from our old skin I made:
http://web.archive.org/web/20110309013354/http://warriorcatsrpg.com/

Their site: http://www.warriorcatsforum.com
View it in their green 'forest' theme or whatever they call it to see more stolen icons and such.

They're taking our badges too now.

Not highly obvious from the front but several icons are clearly visible as stolen right away and more stolen content is in the layout, board descriptions and rules, which were all written by myself on my site and well, I guess largely on theirs too,

This review is for a forum stealing material from my website. I reported this theft and nothing was done. You folks seem really friendly so I'm sure you had no knowledge of this, but when someone makes a report for copyright infringement {in this case lifting text and images I made and gave no permission for the use} and Forumotion does nothing to stop it, is there a higher source I'm supposed to take it to?

I made the report a couple of weeks ago.

Edit: This is why when I found a different site that needed to be taken down for a totally other reason, I asked you guys how because the first time I did it another way and nothing happened. Still it did say that it was sent into this forum for review.


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Post by SLGray on October 14th 2011, 9:24 am

1. the ligitation team make not have review the forum yet

2. the ligitation team has given the forum sometime to remove the content breaking the ToS

3. the ligitation has decided the forum is not breaking any ToS

Those could be some reasons why it is still up.


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Post by azathoth on October 14th 2011, 11:10 am

Thanks. Yes those could be reasons. How long should I wait before concluding they aren't going to do anything? Because I think that theft IS against the TOS because it is illegal. They are using material I created without my authorisation. That's stealing. And I'm not the only one they're stealing from, though that's another issue.

Thank you for helping me out, I just want to know where I go from here.

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Post by MrMario on October 14th 2011, 6:25 pm

Hello,

It all depends on the amount of reports they get. There is no time provided.

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Post by azathoth on October 14th 2011, 9:05 pm

Thanks very much for letting me know that. I'll let my site's other members know as well as other victims, because it isn't only purely my stuff that was lifted.

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Post by azathoth on October 27th 2011, 11:15 am

The forum still has not removed the material and I hate to say it, but I consider this Forumotion's responsibility to remove the material or I will have to file a DMCA takedown notice with Google.

The litigation link that all of our members have been sending the reports to is here:

http://www.forumotion.com/en/litigation/

and it's apparently been sending them all to the forum that is plagiarising both our artwork AND our written material. I don't know that Formotion is getting any of it. Considering I tried to speak to these people on this thieving forum and they banned me and other members for asking that our property be taken off their board I doubt they're about to comply any time soon.

It's been weeks.

Who is the legal owner of the forums hosted by Forumotion--who is legally reaponsible for the content? Is it the people who sign up and run the hosted forums or is it Forumotion? Because what this forum in question is doing IS illegal, they have no right to repost our creative property and whoever is legally responsible for the stolen content is whom I will be taking legal action against.

I only want ONE thing: my stuff off of their site. It isn't theirs, I never gave them permission to use it, and they are stealing it. And during the more than whole month that has gone by since I first alerted you to this issue, the forum has continued to steal more and more from us.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Edit: Found out they're now stealing from our badge designs, half of which were created by members of my site. They didn't give permission for their use anymore than I have.

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Post by Darren1 on October 27th 2011, 1:48 pm

Hi,

The company E-Toxic runs and owns forumotion.
The eaisest way for the company to get the report is either
1) The French support forum, where they have 3 of our devolopers, and many staff from the office, and many other volenteeres whom are also able to pass the details up to the office.
Note you can freely use google translate.
http://forum.forumactif.com/forum
2) The french litigation team, they will get ontop of your issue, and hopefully resolve t within 2 business weeks. However, there is no time frame given. Sorry.
http://web.forumactif.com/fr/litigation/

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Post by azathoth on October 27th 2011, 6:26 pm

Thank you VERY much. I'm getting the feeling that we are just going in circles here. The problem is they're basically looking in on us because we are a successful forum and when they see us doing something, they steal it and just start doing it themselves. They've got content stolen from other sites too, but we're clearly the main ones they're leeching from and we could suffer google penalties and more from these creative parasites. So they aren't just stealing our art and writing but our 'business' model, too.

I don't know French, but I am sure that the translator can do a good enough job to get the point across.

Edit: Here is the main problem. I am not sure that the reports going in through the english litigation form are reaching Forumotion itself. It says at the end after it gets sent, that it was sent to warriors.itopic.com or something rather than your company's offices.

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Post by kirk on October 27th 2011, 6:48 pm

@azathoth wrote:Thanks. Yes those could be reasons. How long should I wait before concluding they aren't going to do anything? Because I think that theft IS against the TOS because it is illegal. They are using material I created without my authorization. That's stealing. And I'm not the only one they're stealing from, though that's another issue.

Thank you for helping me out, I just want to know where I go from here.

Do you have documentation proving you own the materials and have gotten it copyrighted.
Where did you get the materials copyrighted? Also did you include a international copyright to the materials as well?

You know if i write a song, record it, and put it on the web without being copyright first.
Do you know anyone can steel it, get it copyrighted and there is nothing i would be able to do about it.

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Post by azathoth on October 27th 2011, 9:28 pm

Something that you create holds your copyright as soon as you make it and publish it:

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork

so while I haven't yet made any "official" copyright of my work I could easily do so if I have to escalate this to a court of law. I'm trying to avoid having to take it that far, since these are both non profit sites anyway, but for me it's a matter of it being my labour of love and my life's work. so I will take it as far as I possibly can to get it resolved.

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