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Post by TWYLYGHT on June 12th 2013, 3:34 pm

First topic message reminder :

Is there a way to opt of this new editor? If not is there a way to at least set the smiley's back to the old way. They are hard to see even with the mouse over feature. Any member we have with poor eye sight will not be able to use them. I ware glasses and it's hard for me to make head nor tails on the smileys.

Thanks in advance for a quick reply.


Edit:
A few solutions for the problems.


Smiley Problem:
https://help.forumotion.com/t124671p60-only-topic-new-editor#830677

For the editor not appearing Problem:
https://help.forumotion.com/t124758-lost-my-new-text-editor-on-my-forum-the-fix#831689

For turning off the WYSYIWYG by default:
https://help.forumotion.com/t124664-language-issue-in-new-editor#830420

For the Quote problem, cursor still remaining in the Quote box

https://help.forumotion.com/t124671p600-only-topic-new-editor#832889
https://help.forumotion.com/t124671p600-only-topic-new-editor#832892


For changing the font color in the reply box [Working for phpbb2]
https://help.forumotion.com/t124671p960-only-topic-new-editor#838113

For changing the background color in the reply box [Working for phpbb2]
https://help.forumotion.com/t124671p960-only-topic-new-editor#838102

Currently the editor has bugs related to posting via mobile operating systems. Will advise not to use them, until they are fixed. Regret the Inconvenience.

Regards,
Sanket

To add an image to the text editor, add this to your CSS:
Code:
 .sceditor-container iframe, .sceditor-container textarea {
          background-image:  url("IMAGE'S URL") !important;
          background-position:  center center !important;
          background-repeat:  no-repeat !important;
    }
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Post by efbe on June 17th 2013, 11:58 pm

@mata lelaki wrote:my porn forum: 

Please register in order to see the entire video and porn pictures.

Thats filth and i doubt your forum will last much longer now that youv'e advertised it.


Anyway, it's day 5 and still no fix to the new editor.
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Post by Ape on June 18th 2013, 12:46 am

mata lelaki has been reported to the staff Wink


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Post by socialize on June 18th 2013, 1:41 am

I have a solution to the Quote issue. When your click "QUOTE" make sure you switch Editor mode, and after [/quote] click ENTER to escape and switch back. Also to those of you that want to old editor back, you can just switch the editor mode for best solution of the old one. Hope this can help with this problem. If there already is an answer, just want to put some answers to this.
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Post by whitestarling1 on June 18th 2013, 1:43 am

@TWYLYGHT wrote:Sorry to bring up the PM issue again but, I do have members fussing about it.

I can read the pms. I cannot create a new pm or reply to a pm. When I click reply or new pm It takes forever to load the edit box. When the edit box appears it is trying to load still and I have an egg timer, it will not let me type anything it just sits there and there is nothing I can do except to exit the Browser.

It says on the status bar that it is downloading 12 images http:/illweb.com/rsc/70/frm/sceed/minifield themes/fanfanfan.png

I have told our members to be patient as the techs here are working on all the bugs and will fix things asap.  

The same's still happening on our my Forum if you use IE, the only way round it at the moment untill there's a fix is to use Google Chrome, Firefox, or the contact by email option
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Post by Mr MattM on June 18th 2013, 2:17 am

Regarding IE and PMs, I have developer tools installed and have found that IE9 works well, but when I toggle to IE8 or IE7 browser mode there are issues.  IE8 does weird things with the editor text box, and IE7 just locks up.


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Post by VampireWicked on June 18th 2013, 2:18 am

Does anyone know how to increase the message body window to a larger size & return a smile list while java script is off.

I know my issue isn't as serious as everyone else but i would like a little help.
Is there a way to do this or do i wait for some update fix??????


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Post by MousEarz on June 18th 2013, 3:26 am

@APE wrote:Sorry right now there is still no update on the time of the fix to our problems please put in mind that the tech's have not long been in the office. They live in France and over there it's only about 1:31 pm so they have only been in the office for a matter of 4 or 5 hrs.

Some codes and work a round's may take a long time to write and put in to place as its not just one language that they have to count for all at the same time. I'm sure there working hard to get your issues  fixed as fast as they can.

Thank you.

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Thank you for your response. I understand the concept of needing time to fix things as well as a time difference due to location; however, the issues that I'm wondering about have been issues for everyone with every forum on forumotion from the day this new editor went live...which was almost a week ago. As such, I'm sure you can understand the frustration felt by so many members.
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Post by Muddle Manor on June 18th 2013, 4:12 am

@MousEarz wrote:Thank you for your response. I understand the concept of needing time to fix things as well as a time difference due to location; however, the issues that I'm wondering about have been issues for everyone with every forum on forumotion from the day this new editor went live...which was almost a week ago. As such, I'm sure you can understand the frustration felt by so many members.

Exactly. Well said.
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Post by runawayhorses on June 18th 2013, 6:00 am

@Mr MattM wrote:Regarding IE and PMs, I have developer tools installed and have found that IE9 works well, but when I toggle to IE8 or IE7 browser mode there are issues.  IE8 does weird things with the editor text box, and IE7 just locks up.
I have windows XP, and the latest and last version of IE browser for XP is Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft will no longer make anymore versions of IE for windows XP. They are done with it.  I can tell you from first hand experience that browser IE 8 is WAY outdated even now. A lot of things do not work right on it. Web pages often won't loaded correctly, many scripts are not supported by it,  HTML 5 is not supported, its a total mess on modern websites. In addition to IE 8's shortcomings support for Windows XP is ending on April 8, 2014. If you're running this version after support ends, you won't get security updates for Windows XP, and that includes IE 8.

IE 8 is already outdated and useless on many webpages, and its highly recommended if you're running windows XP to use Firefox or Chrome, actually anything other than IE 8 because its so outdated in the 'functionality' department.

Actually its recommended by most if not all computer experts, to not use any version of IE because its such a poor browser in general, all versions. Even the creators of IE have been reported to not use it. Its considered a browser for people that are NOT in the know, for newbies to the internet.

So its certainly not surprising that people are having trouble with the new editor using Internet Explorer.
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Post by Mr MattM on June 18th 2013, 6:23 am

@runawayhorses wrote:
@Mr MattM wrote:Regarding IE and PMs, I have developer tools installed and have found that IE9 works well, but when I toggle to IE8 or IE7 browser mode there are issues.  IE8 does weird things with the editor text box, and IE7 just locks up.
I have windows XP, and the latest and last version of IE browser for XP is Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft will no longer make anymore versions of IE for windows XP. They are done with it.  I can tell you from first hand experience that browser IE 8 is WAY outdated even now. A lot of things do not work right on it. Web pages often won't loaded correctly, many scripts are not supported by it,  HTML 5 is not supported, its a total mess on modern websites. In addition to IE 8's shortcomings support for Windows XP is ending on April 8, 2014. If you're running this version after support ends, you won't get security updates for Windows XP, and that includes IE 8.

IE 8 is already outdated and useless on many webpages, and its highly recommended if you're running windows XP to use Firefox or Chrome, actually anything other than IE 8 because its so outdated in the 'functionality' department.

Actually its recommended by most if not all computer experts, to not use any version of IE because its such a poor browser in general, all versions. Even the creators of IE have been reported to not use it. Its considered a browser for people that are NOT in the know, for newbies to the internet.

So its certainly not surprising that people are having trouble with the new editor using Internet Explorer.

I don't disagree that 'outdated' browser support should not be expected, but I also do not believe that FM is in a position to influence the masses away from IE. You may feel 'superior' in your internet knowledge, but trust me, unless you've been around since the days of 300 baud modems and the NSF you're talking out your [Language]. IE is here... and widely accepted/deployed. If FM wants to continue to succeed it has to support IE. That's not an option. If it doesn't support IE, I (and my pay site) will be gone. It isn't hard to test/code for browser support.
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Post by Mr.EasyBB on June 18th 2013, 6:36 am

Actually IE8 is fairly good for the most part, and I mean IE7 is good too (it really only has bugs with hasLayout)

If you go into the inspector of IE and go to IE7 (or open IE7) and check the html elements they had attributes such as

jQuery394720348 

This is done to help with jQuery nth-child pseudo elements. Which wouldn't be expected but jQuery has implemented this nicely. They have done some updating on these browsers. Now the difference is CSS3 transitions, transform, and so forth aren't supported. As well as a select few of HTML5. There is support for IE as the code API has .ie already a factor. This is up to the Techs to use this for IE7 and IE8, especially like Runawayhorses said, XP only goes to IE8, and I know I just recently updated to Windows 8, and owned an XP for years before that.
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Post by Kailyn on June 18th 2013, 6:42 am

Thank you all for the help and advice thus far with the editor. Thank you in advance to the teams working tirelessly on the Editor issue. Thus far my minor issue is not resolved so I will continue to wait for now. Hopefully the editor will be working on all browsers and devices. I will continue to monitor this thread.

Thank you so much for the WYSIWYG Coding! So dislike that mode with a passion. It helped out greatly to remove it as default^^
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Post by Neymar1 on June 18th 2013, 9:19 am

I don't think it should really get to the stage where they're telling you not to use IE though, even if it is outdated/not really good. Loads of people still use it and it's the browser that I think you'll find in most work places/schools/public computers. It's the only one that I've ever seen anyway. It wouldn't be right to just say use chrome or Firefox? 

Hopefully this isn't the case in the long run.
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Post by Muddle Manor on June 18th 2013, 9:39 am

The only reason I use IE is to run tests to make sure that base of users will have a functional experience too.  (Because I know there are a LOT of IE users.)  If their experience won't be functional, I know to make a note to apologize for their bad experience & gently encourage them to try another browser if they can.

What you will never hear is anger or belittlement from me toward IE users.  There's quite enough of that on the internet already.

As I stated previously in this thread, I really hope Forumotion doesn't just discount IE users and tell them to change browsers or get lost.  As long as it's the default browser computers come packaged with, it will remain a large portion of the internet community.  (Like it or not.)
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Post by teres on June 18th 2013, 10:10 am

My descriptions, screenshots how to use the tools window to the posting, Ithrow in the trash!Sad
it was lovely, reading: http://www.pl.image-share.com/ipng-145-128.html
and now it is terrible: http://www.pl.image-share.com/ipng-203-75.html

The little emoticons! Sad
OK. You can press Ctrl and turn the mouse wheel, or set the browser zoom150%
/ in IE OK., but Google Chrome is not much rest is not checked /
but this extra unnecessary steps! Twisted Evil

And it's in the white background, yellow in citations
and when quoting PROBLEM;
CAN NOT go to answer the citation! just add the quoted post! Evil or Very Mad

Replace good for the worse! Why?  Shocked The only PLUS is the ability to write in a variety of colors
It's like replacing XP to Vista Laughing

I incur a fee for Forumotion but for the use of the old version.
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Post by Ape on June 18th 2013, 10:34 am

@MousEarz wrote:
Thank you for your response. I understand the concept of needing time to fix things as well as a time difference due to location; however, the issues that I'm wondering about have been issues for everyone with every forum on forumotion from the day this new editor went live...which was almost a week ago. As such, I'm sure you can understand the frustration felt by so many members.

I know it's taking it's time to get fixed and i have had to look over codes and other things to get my forum right as well and now i have to go and do the other forum i run as well,

I my self am not happy it has took so long but i look out side the box here and know it will be fixed soon
My frustration is about the same as yours but i put all the fixes in place that i come across and mark them so when FM come up with there fix its easy to remove again.

I am a little shocked that it has took it's time too but hey,

I'm only a helper here and not staff, I try my best to help when ever i can. The bad thing is No one from the head office has come and gave us a report on what is going on i have to go over and read it for my self.

Tech in the french forum has put up a progress report on the french forum but it's bad that we don't have one here that can let us all know what is going on and all the bugs that are fixed right now.

I may ask TGF if it's okay for me to put this in place  or even him to do it.

As we all want the feed back and feel we have been left in the dark on all this.

I will be more then happy to go in 2 or 3 times a day and report back but no one really takes my word for it as i am not really staff here.

Hope You all understand.
And please try and have a really nice day.
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Post by FIB on June 18th 2013, 11:39 am

Thanks APE. Its always been the same here they are very slow to respond and put things right.
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Post by Sanket on June 18th 2013, 11:42 am

Just to clarify, we would have put up a status on the progress if we were notified. Also, all the staff members will inform you as & when they hear from The Godfather. All we can do at the moment is provide with fixes for the editors.

Its a humble request to everyone to be patient, please help others in redirecting to the solutions.
Thanks.
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Post by runawayhorses on June 18th 2013, 2:04 pm

@Mr MattM wrote:I don't disagree that 'outdated' browser support should not be expected, but I also do not believe that FM is in a position to influence the masses away from IE.  You may feel 'superior' in your internet knowledge, but trust me, unless you've been around since the days of 300 baud modems and the NSF you're talking out your [Language].  IE is here... and widely accepted/deployed.  If FM wants to continue to succeed it has to support IE.  That's not an option.  If it doesn't support IE, I (and my pay site) will be gone.  It isn't hard to test/code for browser support.
I remember  baud modems I used to use them, and I don't know what that has to do with anything being discussed here.

I never suggested that forumotion should influence people to dump that ridiculous piece of garbage browser called Internet Explorer, but now that you mention it perhaps they should. A lot of servers are suggesting there clients and visitors use another browser other than IE, big name servers too like Wordpress.com and Wix,com. They'd like to see people upgrade there browser to use there sites. And Wix.com makes a HTML 5 versions of sites that are barely accessible with IE.

The bottom line is Internet Explorer stinks and knowledgeable people about computers know this to be fact. Anyone using IE will have a degraded Internet experience on every website they visit.


@Mr.EasyBB wrote:Actually IE8 is fairly good for the most part, and I mean IE7 is good too (it really only has bugs with hasLayout)

They have done some updating on these browsers.
What? I seen you trash Internet Explorer so many times in posts talking about how bad it was and how much you hated it and wished people would quit using it - and now you're saying its a fairly good browser? Make up your mind buddy. lol

@Muddle Manor wrote:What you will never hear is anger or belittlement from me toward IE users.  
Oh you will from me, but not on this forum I mostly just try to help answer questions, but on my forum and others I trash the hell out of Internet Explorer. My goal is to someday rid mankind of this disease called Internet Explorer.

I think the forumotion technicians have done a pretty good job at making the forums functional for IE, but there bag of tricks can't last forever, eventually they must face the enviable conclusion that its a lost cause to have nice features that work for IE, and join the many other servers that now ignore IE when developing new apps and sites.
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Post by laurielurcher on June 18th 2013, 2:30 pm

Please can anyone advise on how my members can send pm's.  The problems we are having with the new editor are many.  But the pm issue is quite important...  It freezes and then crashes their pcs.
Thanks
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Post by Mr MattM on June 18th 2013, 2:54 pm

@laurielurcher wrote:Please can anyone advise on how my members can send pm's.  The problems we are having with the new editor are many.  But the pm issue is quite important...  It freezes and then crashes their pcs.
Thanks

The main issues seem to be with IE7 and IE8. I have no issues with IE9 or IE10. At some point users will need to upgrade their browsers to a more current version, or switch to another browser (Firefox, Chrome, etc).
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Post by Rob Lucci on June 18th 2013, 2:57 pm

While the editor makes it easier to do copy and paste, in general, it's just bad.
Quotes get a gray colour by default, some of my members can't even browse the forum due to the fact that they have tablets e.t.c.
Please fix those things.
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Post by Made on June 18th 2013, 3:32 pm

I'm sincerely thankful to those who are trying to help everybody else solve the new editor's multiple bugs and issues, both Forumotion's staff, techs, helpers and regular members. I really am. And I'm not bickering or complaining just for the sake of it 'cause I do appreciate the other wonderful features FM provides their users.

BUT my problem here is that this is not the first time Forumotion has made drastic changes and subjected us to "beta" functions in the forums without any previous warning. I would assume that by using the several test forums FM surely has, new functions should be implemented only when fully tested.

Having to change code after code, ask our members to "adjust" this or that in order to make the forum "work" is just unacceptable! It takes a lot of time and effort from forum's founders and moderators (who are also volunteers!) to build a numerous, long lasting community based on a fluid communication which is exactly what isn't working properly right now. Seeing all that effort thrown down the drain is really painful and frustrating.

In my opinion, now that the techs have taken note of all the bugs the new editor has as reported by the members, they should reinstate the old editor immediately and work on the new one until it is fully operational before changing it again.
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Post by socialize on June 18th 2013, 3:51 pm

@Made wrote:I'm sincerely thankful to those who are trying to help everybody else solve the new editor's multiple bugs and issues, both Forumotion's staff, techs, helpers and regular members. I really am. And I'm not bickering or complaining just for the sake of it 'cause I do appreciate the other wonderful features FM provides their users.

BUT my problem here is that this is not the first time Forumotion has made drastic changes and subjected us to "beta" functions in the forums without any previous warning. I would assume that by using the several test forums FM surely has, new functions should be implemented only when fully tested.

Having to change code after code, ask our members to "adjust" this or that in order to make the forum "work" is just unacceptable! It takes a lot of time and effort from forum's founders and moderators (who are also volunteers!) to build a numerous, long lasting community based on a fluid communication which is exactly what isn't working properly right now. Seeing all that effort thrown down the drain is really painful and frustrating.

In my opinion, now that the techs have taken note of all the bugs the new editor has as reported by the members, they should reinstate the old editor immediately and work on the new one until it is fully operational before changing it again.
I get where your coming from, but you don't know if the team made this as a surprise Very Happy . Or they did not know it will have all these issues. Sadly each staff said it's nearly impossible and won't work. Have you tried switching Editor modes?
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Post by Ape on June 18th 2013, 4:38 pm

Not sure running a test site could have been done in the first place as this editor would of had to be put in place on the main server and to take over the old one, and running them side by side would have put yet more bugs in the system i think as there format is not the same.

I get that you are all getting sick of the update not getting fixed at a faster rate but hey we all are. Not a lot we can do about it now is there lol

I can not see FM putting the old editor back in place to undo all the work that has been put on the servers now. How i see it is that there doing all they can but we just cant see it right now. over a week of bugs is a bummer and i think if we all hold on tight im sure there have it done soon.


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Post by Captain Hunk on June 18th 2013, 4:43 pm

@runawayhorses wrote:The bottom line is Internet Explorer stinks and knowledgeable people about computers know this to be fact. Anyone using IE will have a degraded Internet experience on every website they visit.

I think the forumotion technicians have done a pretty good job at making the forums functional for IE, but there bag of tricks can't last forever, eventually they must face the enviable conclusion that its a lost cause to have nice features that work for IE, and join the many other servers that now ignore IE when developing new apps and sites.

I think Forumotion has every right to no longer support IE7/8 users. Come next year in April, Microsoft will no longer update those browser versions or XP systems. Many sites have warned their XP customers about that fact. Forumotion should do the same. Once that life cycle ends, it's over. Continuing to use XP and IE7/8 is a risk not worth taking. Should it happen, none of these computer companies and websites are obligated to assist. They're off the hook. You are literally on your own. And unless you know how to reinstall your system, the headaches you're experiencing now is nothing compared to that day when you don't have a working computer anymore. What then?
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Post by alfa27 on June 18th 2013, 5:49 pm

@alfa27 wrote:Im still having issues on my site.

If i have to post i get "message must be more than 5 characters"

I also have to preview before i post or it wont post.


Anything on this??
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Post by Niko on June 18th 2013, 6:10 pm

Hello guys,

I noticed that the editor is inside of an iframe object...
in this way, we cannot use CSS codes to edit it D:

was it reported? or do you have a solution?
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Post by FIB on June 18th 2013, 6:14 pm

Niko! wrote:Hello guys,

I noticed that the editor is inside of an iframe object...
in this way, we cannot use CSS codes to edit it D:

was it reported? or do you have a solution?

Look through the last 22 pages and there are many answers and questions.
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Post by kirk on June 18th 2013, 6:54 pm

Slightly off topic (in a sense)
Message to staff and members about the content in the spoiler below.

I have asked Runawayhorse if he would like to start a discussions about Microsoft discontinuing any further support/service packs for XP in April of 2014. I feel it would be a good discussions over there for those that are still using XP and to discuss all IE browser issues with suggestions and information for any XP and IE users. If you can please wait to reply in the thread that runawayhorse will be starting soon in the discussions section. I will be sure to come back and add the thread link here along with editing it in his post as well.
As far as this thread lets try to stick to only editor issues, I do understand XP and IE user's can and may be experiences things different then other browsers, but lets not try to get in a full blown conversation about XP IE related issues that are not in regards to the new editor problems. Thanx Smile



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@runawayhorses wrote:
@Mr MattM wrote:Regarding IE and PMs, I have developer tools installed and have found that IE9 works well, but when I toggle to IE8 or IE7 browser mode there are issues.  IE8 does weird things with the editor text box, and IE7 just locks up.
I have windows XP, and the latest and last version of IE browser for XP is Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft will no longer make anymore versions of IE for windows XP. They are done with it.  I can tell you from first hand experience that browser IE 8 is WAY outdated even now. A lot of things do not work right on it. Web pages often won't loaded correctly, many scripts are not supported by it,  HTML 5 is not supported, its a total mess on modern websites. In addition to IE 8's shortcomings support for Windows XP is ending on April 8, 2014. If you're running this version after support ends, you won't get security updates for Windows XP, and that includes IE 8.

IE 8 is already outdated and useless on many webpages, and its highly recommended if you're running windows XP to use Firefox or Chrome, actually anything other than IE 8 because its so outdated in the 'functionality' department.

Actually its recommended by most if not all computer experts, to not use any version of IE because its such a poor browser in general, all versions. Even the creators of IE have been reported to not use it. Its considered a browser for people that are NOT in the know, for newbies to the internet.

So its certainly not surprising that people are having trouble with the new editor using Internet Explorer.

@Mr MattM wrote:
@runawayhorses wrote:
@Mr MattM wrote:Regarding IE and PMs, I have developer tools installed and have found that IE9 works well, but when I toggle to IE8 or IE7 browser mode there are issues.  IE8 does weird things with the editor text box, and IE7 just locks up.
I have windows XP, and the latest and last version of IE browser for XP is Internet Explorer 8, Microsoft will no longer make anymore versions of IE for windows XP. They are done with it.  I can tell you from first hand experience that browser IE 8 is WAY outdated even now. A lot of things do not work right on it. Web pages often won't loaded correctly, many scripts are not supported by it,  HTML 5 is not supported, its a total mess on modern websites. In addition to IE 8's shortcomings support for Windows XP is ending on April 8, 2014. If you're running this version after support ends, you won't get security updates for Windows XP, and that includes IE 8.

IE 8 is already outdated and useless on many webpages, and its highly recommended if you're running windows XP to use Firefox or Chrome, actually anything other than IE 8 because its so outdated in the 'functionality' department.

Actually its recommended by most if not all computer experts, to not use any version of IE because its such a poor browser in general, all versions. Even the creators of IE have been reported to not use it. Its considered a browser for people that are NOT in the know, for newbies to the internet.

So its certainly not surprising that people are having trouble with the new editor using Internet Explorer.

I don't disagree that 'outdated' browser support should not be expected, but I also do not believe that FM is in a position to influence the masses away from IE.  You may feel 'superior' in your internet knowledge, but trust me, unless you've been around since the days of 300 baud modems and the NSF you're talking out your [Language].  IE is here... and widely accepted/deployed.  If FM wants to continue to succeed it has to support IE.  That's not an option.  If it doesn't support IE, I (and my pay site) will be gone.  It isn't hard to test/code for browser support.

@Mr.EasyBB wrote:Actually IE8 is fairly good for the most part, and I mean IE7 is good too (it really only has bugs with hasLayout)

If you go into the inspector of IE and go to IE7 (or open IE7) and check the html elements they had attributes such as

jQuery394720348 

This is done to help with jQuery nth-child pseudo elements. Which wouldn't be expected but jQuery has implemented this nicely. They have done some updating on these browsers. Now the difference is CSS3 transitions, transform, and so forth aren't supported. As well as a select few of HTML5. There is support for IE as the code API has .ie already a factor. This is up to the Techs to use this for IE7 and IE8, especially like Runawayhorses said, XP only goes to IE8, and I know I just recently updated to Windows 8, and owned an XP for years before that.

@Neymar1 wrote:I don't think it should really get to the stage where they're telling you not to use IE though, even if it is outdated/not really good. Loads of people still use it and it's the browser that I think you'll find in most work places/schools/public computers. It's the only one that I've ever seen anyway. It wouldn't be right to just say use chrome or Firefox? 

Hopefully this isn't the case in the long run.

@Muddle Manor wrote:The only reason I use IE is to run tests to make sure that base of users will have a functional experience too.  (Because I know there are a LOT of IE users.)  If their experience won't be functional, I know to make a note to apologize for their bad experience & gently encourage them to try another browser if they can.

What you will never hear is anger or belittlement from me toward IE users.  There's quite enough of that on the internet already.

As I stated previously in this thread, I really hope Forumotion doesn't just discount IE users and tell them to change browsers or get lost.  As long as it's the default browser computers come packaged with, it will remain a large portion of the internet community.  (Like it or not.)

@runawayhorses wrote:
@Mr MattM wrote:I don't disagree that 'outdated' browser support should not be expected, but I also do not believe that FM is in a position to influence the masses away from IE.  You may feel 'superior' in your internet knowledge, but trust me, unless you've been around since the days of 300 baud modems and the NSF you're talking out your [Language].  IE is here... and widely accepted/deployed.  If FM wants to continue to succeed it has to support IE.  That's not an option.  If it doesn't support IE, I (and my pay site) will be gone.  It isn't hard to test/code for browser support.
I remember  baud modems I used to use them, and I don't know what that has to do with anything being discussed here.

I never suggested that forumotion should influence people to dump that ridiculous piece of garbage browser called Internet Explorer, but now that you mention it perhaps they should. A lot of servers are suggesting there clients and visitors use another browser other than IE, big name servers too like Wordpress.com and Wix,com. They'd like to see people upgrade there browser to use there sites. And Wix.com makes a HTML 5 versions of sites that are barely accessible with IE.

The bottom line is Internet Explorer stinks and knowledgeable people about computers know this to be fact. Anyone using IE will have a degraded Internet experience on every website they visit.


@Mr.EasyBB wrote:Actually IE8 is fairly good for the most part, and I mean IE7 is good too (it really only has bugs with hasLayout)

They have done some updating on these browsers.
What? I seen you trash Internet Explorer so many times in posts talking about how bad it was and how much you hated it and wished people would quit using it - and now you're saying its a fairly good browser? Make up your mind buddy. lol

@Muddle Manor wrote:What you will never hear is anger or belittlement from me toward IE users.  
Oh you will from me, but not on this forum I mostly just try to help answer questions, but on my forum and others I trash the hell out of Internet Explorer. My goal is to someday rid mankind of this disease called Internet Explorer.

I think the forumotion technicians have done a pretty good job at making the forums functional for IE, but there bag of tricks can't last forever, eventually they must face the enviable conclusion that its a lost cause to have nice features that work for IE, and join the many other servers that now ignore IE when developing new apps and sites.

@Captain Hunk wrote:
@runawayhorses wrote:The bottom line is Internet Explorer stinks and knowledgeable people about computers know this to be fact. Anyone using IE will have a degraded Internet experience on every website they visit.

I think the forumotion technicians have done a pretty good job at making the forums functional for IE, but there bag of tricks can't last forever, eventually they must face the enviable conclusion that its a lost cause to have nice features that work for IE, and join the many other servers that now ignore IE when developing new apps and sites.

I think Forumotion has every right to no longer support IE7/8 users. Come next year in April, Microsoft will no longer update those browser versions or XP systems. Many sites have warned their XP customers about that fact. Forumotion should do the same. Once that life cycle ends, it's over. Continuing to use XP and IE7/8 is a risk not worth taking. Should it happen, none of these computer companies and websites are obligated to assist. They're off the hook. You are literally on your own. And unless you know how to reinstall your system, the headaches you're experiencing now is nothing compared to that day when you don't have a working computer anymore. What then?
XP-IE New discussion located here


As far as the issues with XP or IE users in reference to the new editor problems. Well as of now it is the same as all other issues and problems others are having. When we get new updated information on all problems it will be posted in this thread. I would suggest for those of you IE users that are able to use a different browser to hopefully provide a temporally solution to please do so. Other then that many are still having problems regardless of browsers, it just seems things on IE are more messed up then other browsers which is no surprise.. lol (Only Topic!) New Editor - Page 22 Guish2 In any case, Once again. As we are giving updated information all will be posted here to sort out as many problems as are provided.


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