SOPA/PIPA?

by Zeena January 18th 2012, 2:46 am

I heard a bit about a bill currently being looked at and decided on on Thursday/Friday of this week in the United States of America. More information about it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16590585

Will Forumotion be affected in any way? Or is it too early to be decided? Thanks!

by MrMario January 18th 2012, 4:53 am

Hello,

I'm pretty sure any Internet company will be infected by this, no matter what country it is. It all depends on what happen, so I would keep an eye out of this.

by kirk January 18th 2012, 11:46 am

Well i think we should move this over to discussions.
I as an American would like to gather as many people as possibility to help prevent such a thing. And if it happens here. It's only a matter of time before other countries start doing it, The whole thing is ridiculous. I think the American Government has officially lost it's mind.

Whatever happen to land of the free, Yeah imagine that.

Please click the link in my sig to say no to internet censorship Smile

As far as forumotion being effected by this insane bill if it was passed.
I don't see that happening right away, This is really some messed up stuff.
This can cause a lot of back lash and get very ugly.. But on that note.. I don't think it has a chance of being passed.. Or at least I hope.

But look what happened in turkey.. forumotion is blocked in that country.
So is everything else though.. I think turkey has more blocked then china and Iran dose?

Moved from other problems to disscusions

by Guest January 18th 2012, 11:10 pm

I hope It's not passed I just herd about via on other site then news I would be sad if forumotion was blocked there goes peoples hard work and decation to there forum work.

by Guest January 18th 2012, 11:26 pm

I strongly oppose the SOPA and PIPA bills. If this passes, I will be a very unhappy person.

No one will be happy with this, there is just no way.

by WhatIf January 18th 2012, 11:28 pm

If this bill was passed, god forbid, this website should not be affected. Forumotion preaches not having any sites that exchange links to illegal downloads, and all this bill does is make the links illegal.

However, although it should not be affected does not mean that it won't be. If forumotion is not fast enough in banning the accounts and disabling of those who pass on links to illegal content, then the SOPA/PIPA act could get to it first and take down the whole host.

by !_NICK_! January 18th 2012, 11:52 pm

I'm 1 million in 1% sure this won't happen. People will hack there stuff to block it and it just won't happen. I'm not even worrying.

by Guest January 18th 2012, 11:57 pm

Actly I agree forumotion won't be blocked if you don't use video pirate movies It should be fine forumotion needs to hunker down and check all there sites to check it to avoid the bill if passed because if you wotch the news it's not that confusing to understand the usa government is trying to block pirate sites that steal © law movies or music like that and use them for profit.
But if not its all good but it won't be the end we here about this again.

by kirk January 19th 2012, 1:06 am

Well it's not just about peer to peer, torrent sites other sites that provide illegal file sharing, It would effect way more things then that. But you want to bet if it did pass it's the last you would ever see of things like TPB, Frostwire etc..

But this day and age, i do not think there would ever be a secure way to stop people sharing, If people want to share they can do it right through emails..LOL
SO fat chance of that ever going away completely, However would defiantly effect many things and many sites .

I mean look at file hosting sites, i would think at least 60 to 70% of all that is uploaded to file host is some sort of illegal sharing , whether it be music,movies,software cracks,keygen games etc.. And all of these host have TOS in place and will delete/remove and take all necessary actions for things that are in violation.

But with this censorship in place, A merer TOS would not be enough and if the government feels it is withing their guidelines to be blocked,censored or even monitor. Then that's it and there would be no say whatsoever for any companies or sites that are blocked/censored.

Then this raises the questions about proxies,This day and age more and more people now use proxies, Not so much for trying to hide their self's. But more so to protect their self's and remain private. So now would this bill render using any type of proxy or changing of IP Illegal??

So yeah this goes a bit Beyond just torrent sites or peer to peer things, Of course this is exactly what they want you to believe it's all about. But there is way more involved and can literally take away any privacy you may have on the web.. As if big brother is not already out there enough and watching our every move. The internet and computers are now part of our everyday modern life's. It has grown enormously within the last 25 years and i think governments are scared and know they can not control it. So what better way to be able to control and keep tabs on anything they want by creating such a bill to basically slap us all in the face and take away our rights. I have been saying for a good 10 or 15 years now.People are losing more and more rights everyday and do not realize it.To me it seems like nothing more then a way for governments to retain power and control over the people. What is sad is that an average person dose not want to believe such things or just ignores it as it will not effect them.. Keep in mind this is my personal view and opinion. But nevertheless feel this is the big picture You know our would has fault to many wars for hundreds and thousands of years to gain the freedoms most countries have today. And things like this are just gradually taking our freedom's away.

So yeah don't buy into the garbage of what they are saying that it is intended to prevent torrents, file sharing etc..That is what they want you to think it's all about. It would go way beyond this and is nothing more then a fabrication to enable them to get the bill passed,take away our rights, This would be the first stepping stone for our government legally be able to see what any person is doing on the web at any given time. As if they cant now... haha Razz

It will be interesting to see how this all actually plays out. Question

by Empire_1 January 19th 2012, 3:38 am

Some good points there kirk Wink

Vote for "No" to Internet Censorship! Tell Congress how you feel Evil or Very Mad

by probidthetalk January 19th 2012, 3:43 am

Our group has compiled over 3500 signatures and did a call your politician at local malls and we had made over 1200 calls!

As some one who owns their own site, and hosting I rather not have to deal with bull like this.

by Base January 19th 2012, 5:40 pm

As far as I know about the situation (though not very much since I live in the UK), I think I can safely say that the American government has simply nothing better to do. This whole 'SOPA' thing is ridiculous and it will have some devastating effects if this law is passed. Crying or Very sad

by probidthetalk January 19th 2012, 5:48 pm

People don't let it be a US thing if it passes here it will get passed elsewhere. Mark my words. UK and Canada will follow suite in one way or another, they may edit our law a bit but it will get passed.

by probidthetalk January 19th 2012, 10:08 pm

The laws weren't even passed and sites are being shut down. It will be even easier once the bills are passed.

Sources say that the megaupload lawyers have exhibits to prove that the company was vigilant in deleting illegal up loaders.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-file-sharing-website/?test=latestnews

by WhatIf January 19th 2012, 11:44 pm

kirk wrote:Well it's not just about peer to peer, torrent sites other sites that provide illegal file sharing, It would effect way more things then that. But you want to bet if it did pass it's the last you would ever see of things like TPB, Frostwire etc..

But this day and age, i do not think there would ever be a secure way to stop people sharing, If people want to share they can do it right through emails..LOL
SO fat chance of that ever going away completely, However would defiantly effect many things and many sites .

I mean look at file hosting sites, i would think at least 60 to 70% of all that is uploaded to file host is some sort of illegal sharing , whether it be music,movies,software cracks,keygen games etc.. And all of these host have TOS in place and will delete/remove and take all necessary actions for things that are in violation.

But with this censorship in place, A merer TOS would not be enough and if the government feels it is withing their guidelines to be blocked,censored or even monitor. Then that's it and there would be no say whatsoever for any companies or sites that are blocked/censored.

Then this raises the questions about proxies,This day and age more and more people now use proxies, Not so much for trying to hide their self's. But more so to protect their self's and remain private. So now would this bill render using any type of proxy or changing of IP Illegal??

So yeah this goes a bit Beyond just torrent sites or peer to peer things, Of course this is exactly what they want you to believe it's all about. But there is way more involved and can literally take away any privacy you may have on the web.. As if big brother is not already out there enough and watching our every move. The internet and computers are now part of our everyday modern life's. It has grown enormously within the last 25 years and i think governments are scared and know they can not control it. So what better way to be able to control and keep tabs on anything they want by creating such a bill to basically slap us all in the face and take away our rights. I have been saying for a good 10 or 15 years now.People are losing more and more rights everyday and do not realize it.To me it seems like nothing more then a way for governments to retain power and control over the people. What is sad is that an average person dose not want to believe such things or just ignores it as it will not effect them.. Keep in mind this is my personal view and opinion. But nevertheless feel this is the big picture You know our would has fault to many wars for hundreds and thousands of years to gain the freedoms most countries have today. And things like this are just gradually taking our freedom's away.

So yeah don't buy into the garbage of what they are saying that it is intended to prevent torrents, file sharing etc..That is what they want you to think it's all about. It would go way beyond this and is nothing more then a fabrication to enable them to get the bill passed,take away our rights, This would be the first stepping stone for our government legally be able to see what any person is doing on the web at any given time. As if they cant now... haha

It will be interesting to see how this all actually plays out.

Agreed, that's just like the NDAA 2012 addition. It's supposed to be in effect only for terrorism crackdowns on America citizens, but who knows how they can take advantage of it without a trial?

by kirk January 20th 2012, 1:18 am

Well here we go folks.. It begins.

Funny how one day after all the protest, the fed shut down megaupload..

WOW, What a load of garbage.. and megaupload is not even an American based company.

So yeah.. here we go, looks like we will be seeing more of this in the coming days.

http://techland.time.com/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-megaupload-com-file-sharing-website/

See what i said about 60 or more % of content uploaded is illegal on file host.
And what is messed up is megaupload has a TOS and would remove any violations.
Obviously TOS is not enough.. So now here we go the game begins.. I bet all file host are freaking out right now.. And they are going to come up with even more policies.

As a file host they can not be responsible for what someone may upload, However, if it is reported or they came across something breaking thire TOS, then they are obligated to remove and take any other necessary actions.

But once again, Obviously this is not enough.

Look out rapidshare, they are coming for you next.. WOW Unbelievable

Spoiler:

And you know what.. This is no coincidence, This was done purposely to happen now as a move on Americas part to help use as a tool to get the SOPA bill passed.. Mark my words.

info added

Cyber Hacker group Anonymous take down U.S. Department of Justice, Recording Industry of America, Motion Picture Association of America and Universal Music. in retaliation to Megaupload shut down.

Man this is getting crazy!!!!!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/01/19/anonymous-hackers-claims-attack-on-doj-universal-music-and-riaa-after-megaupload-takedown/

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As of now Universal Music Site is still down.
Not sure about the other sites and am sure they will be back up soon,, It's just insane and have a feeling we may be seeing more things like this happening.. dunno..However, I think the message here from Group Anonymous Is. What goes around comes around. Interesting???

by **SLGray** January 20th 2012, 3:34 am

The hacking group's actions might backfire. The government could use it as a tool to pass more laws to include hackers.

by Empire_1 January 20th 2012, 3:53 am

Hey guys,
I just want to add that it is not exactly what is in the SOPA and PIPA bills that many companies oppose (since mitigating piracy is generally considered a positive thing), but mainly that the bills establish a precedent that allows for future bills and acts of censorship on different things.

The fear here is that SOPA and PIPA will just be a start to an entire, widespread government control of the Internet.

Luckally for opponents of SOPA/PIPA, we've already made much progress, at least according to this PC World article.

-4.5 million people signed Google's anti-SOPA/PIPA petition, according to the Los Angeles Times

-25 Senators now oppose PIPA (the Senate version of SOPA), according to OpenCongress

-Twitter saw more than 2.4 million SOPA-related tweets between midnight and 4 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday

-Two SOPA co-sponsors and several others dropped support for the House bill

-More than 162 million people saw Wikipedia's protest page

-More than 8 million people used Wikipedia's search tool to look up their elected representatives' contact information

The vote on this issue is currently scheduled for January 24th

by kirk January 20th 2012, 3:55 am

Well that is looking more promising Empire_1.

And i don't think it's the complete end of megaupload, I am sure it will be back.
I mean they are not stupid, follow laws, and have policies that obey/honor international laws as well.

I think it was just a cheap shot on Americas part to use as a tool/awareness to get the bill passed.. But who knows, well just have to keep tabs on everything and see what plays out in the coming days.

Thanx for the info man :wouhou:

by FL.ux January 20th 2012, 4:37 am

I'm from the Philippines . . but even if i'm away from America I know that my world would still be affected if this bill will be passed . .

I hope I can do something with this. . .

Very Happy

by probidthetalk January 20th 2012, 4:56 am

I am loving this oh Anonymous, how I still love the Smile

by kirk January 20th 2012, 5:19 am

FL.ux wrote:I'm from the Philippines . . but even if i'm away from America I know that my world would still be affected if this bill will be passed . .

I hope I can do something with this. . .

Well yeah if it's passed in America you want to bet other countries will follow in their footsteps.
I don't think will be passed, It's just poorly written and to much involved that goes beyond piracy.

Plus the American people will not stand for it and i think would cause a huge backlash

probidthetalk wrote:I am loving this oh Anonymous, how I still love the

Yeah well i was never a Huge supporter of them before,
However I support them 100% for this particular retaliation.

America has no business seizing a domain from another company outside U.S. and essentially hijacking the site to have it shut down. But,I have been reading that the owner of megaupload has been in hot water before,To me the timing is just to coincidental and i am not buying it at all. It has to be in connection with this SOPA garbage.. Just to coincidental in my opinion.

by FL.ux January 20th 2012, 5:24 am

kirk wrote:Well yeah if it's passed in America you want to bet other countries will follow in their footsteps.
I don't think will be passed, It's just poorly written and to much involved that goes beyond piracy.

Plus the American people will not stand for it and i think would cause a huge backlash

yep. . i agree, but i really like the internet today. . . i don't know hat would happen if this would be passed. . Sad

if this will be passed, wikipedia will be closed???

by kirk January 20th 2012, 5:38 am

FL.ux wrote:
if this will be passed, wikipedia will be closed???

No it don't think it would effect them, wikipedia are just one of the large websites that protested and oppose the Bill, If the Bill was passed, It would be the headway of many other censorship's to follow along with peoples internet privacy rights and freedoms being extorted/violated.

Thus in a sense, I am sure certain things would and could be censored sooner or latter from any sites governments see fit to censor.

So that can be wikipedia and whatever else they wanted to do at any giving time.
Thats why goes beyond just piracy, The American Government wants us to believe it is only about piracy, But no there is a much bigger picture and intent behind all of this. It is merely for control, people need to wake up and see the real picture. And it starts by speaking your voice and seeing this bill or other bills like this will never be passed.

LOL HEHE !!!!!!!!!! It's all a conspiracy affraid

.. For real though SOPA/PIPA? Guish2

In all respect. This is a serious matter and people just need to be aware of what is taking place, have a voice, and see that we retain our rights and freedoms Smile

And looks like it starts in America with this one. Because you want to bet all governments around the world are watching to see how this all plays out. And i honestly believe here is more at stake and involved then just piracy.

May be it sounds like we/I am getting ahead of our-self's, But we need to be thumleft

HE HE . It's like doing support, we have to look at everything from all angles, troubleshoot, and find the source of the problem so we can fix it.. COOL..lol
Ok now i am just ranting, I will stop... lol

by probidthetalk January 20th 2012, 5:43 pm

kirk wrote:

probidthetalk wrote:I am loving this oh Anonymous, how I still love the

Yeah well i was never a Huge supporter of them before,
However I support them 100% for this particular retaliation.

America has no business seizing a domain from another company outside U.S. and essentially hijacking the site to have it shut down. But,I have been reading that the owner of megaupload has been in hot water before,To me the timing is just to coincidental and i am not buying it at all. It has to be in connection with this SOPA garbage.. Just to coincidental in my opinion.

If I was just able to elaborate more........... They have gotten a bad rep and hapopenings were placed on them becuase someone had to be blamed.

They aren't bad people like they have been portrayed. Yes hacking is bad, sometimes bad things need to be done for the good of the people."

by YoshiGM January 20th 2012, 11:41 pm

Hi,

All forumotion forums aren't affected by this law.

Because in Forumotion Rules says:

Don't upload illegal content like downloads with copyright

Be sure,..forumotion forums don't close !

by BryanR January 21st 2012, 12:29 am

Forumotion will be affected, for example some people have themes based on famous video games, now if SOPA & PIPA are passed, removal of that data will be mandatory so Forumotion will be affected. Let me just put it in general, every major company will be affected and you may now know their are a lot of reasons why.

by Guest January 21st 2012, 5:39 am

The votes may start January 24 and stuff we should realy wotch it in February its when the bill is reviewed and shuch. If I am currently in my government standers of usa congress and yes I boarding had a government class in school the bill if its a law can be ratifed again but if the people hate the idea let go up to Washington D.c. and get are protest Signs saying Freedom of the internet no to censoring pickit sign.

SOPA/PIPA? Hni_0010

my protest

by MotorCookie January 21st 2012, 7:31 pm

You can protest by joining these sites -

https://www.eff.org/
http://americancensorship.org

Firefox also has some sort of organization.

by kirk January 21st 2012, 8:54 pm

Just to add for latest news on the megaupload shut down and bust.
Yeah it seems the owners where corrupt and making hundreds of millions on copyrighted materials. So i am sure hey have been investigating it all for a while, And the timing is kind of odd, But i am sure other large file hosting companies will be reviewing all their policies and laws to make sure they have their self's covered.

Anyway that's the only file host i have ever used, I never uploaded copy written stuff, mostly stuff with my own creations for graphics,videos even some of my own written songs, But whatever someone is uploading i do not see how a file host can be responsible, The would just be obligated and responsible to remove anything in violation if they have gotten a report or came across it..

But anyway hears what went down on Friday when they finally arrested the owner of megaupload, sounds like they had half of the new Zealand police force... lol helicopters and all wow.

Look at he guys freaking mansion and property.. Yeah he was living pretty large for sure, Estimated 500 million .

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/megaupload-kim-dotcom-arrest-sopa-283768

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