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Post by runawayhorses on June 18th 2013, 10:13 pm

Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP

Ends April 8, 2014
Hi everyone, I've been in contact with Kirk as most of you know is this forums Manager, and we agreed that a topic about Microsoft ending support for Windows XP would be a good idea, so without further ado here it is.

The object of this topic discussion is to make people aware of this issue and to give people a place to post any suggestions or steps to take to prepare for Microsoft's retirement of Windows XP and Internet Explorer 8 April 8, 2014, along with discussing the IE browser and its compatibility issues with the new forumotion text editor just implemented. All thoughts along this line are encouraged and welcomed, and they need not be constructive if you simply want to express your opinions about Internet Explorer or any of the Windows operating systems. This topic is an outlet to be both helpful and to express your opinions.

Microsoft will be ending support for Windows XP on April 8, 2014 after 12 and a half years of supporting it. Microsoft has gone out of their way to extend support on several occasions, but the 2014 deadline looks like the final one. Windows XP was the most widely used operating system until August 2012, when Windows 7 overtook it

Links:
Windows Lifecycle Factsheet:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle

Wikipedia on Windows XP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP

Wikipedia on Internet Explorer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer

Additional helpful links:
For Information on Using More Than One Browser:

Step-By-Step installation
http://www.ehow.com/how_2033451_use-multiple-web.html

Using Multiple Browsers
http://www.wikihow.com/Organize-Yourself-Using-Multiple-Browsers
(additional link to the "Opera" browser on this page)

Benefits Of Using Multiple Browsers
http://davidmichaelangelosilva.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/the-benefits-of-using-multiple-browsers-chrome-and-firefox/

(additional note: you can always add shortcuts to different browsers making it simple to switch.)

GOOGLE CHROME DOWNLOAD https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
Information About Google Chrome: http://download.cnet.com/Google-Chrome/3000-2356_4-10881381.html


MOZILLA FIREFOX DOWNLOAD http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
Information About Firefox: http://download.cnet.com/mozilla-firefox/

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End of XP Support - April 8, 2014

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My thoughts:

Should the forumotion technicians concern themselves with Internet Explorer 8 and older versions, or would they be better off telling everyone to use Firefox or Chrome or any other browser other than IE?

With Firefox and Chrome its always updated no matter what Windows edition you run, and you never have to worry about not having the latest updates or if your windows edition is compatible with the latest browser versions. No matter what windows edition you have you can run the latest version of Firefox or Chrome or any of the other windows compatible browsers out there.

In reverse Internet Explorer is completely different in that you can't run the latest version of IE browser they make unless you have the latest version of Windows, and when they decide to not update your browser or operating system anymore you are left hanging and forced to look elsewhere for an updated browser that keeps up to date with today's coded websites. As made example you can't run IE 9 on Windows XP, its not an option, forget it.

Microsoft is basically saying "you're on your own". Which really is a blessing in disguise because you probably shouldn't be using IE anyway because even the latest versions of IE are a mess and not up to par with Firefox and Chrome, among the others browsers out there.

Ok, I made an opener, your thoughts?


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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Ultron's Vision on June 18th 2013, 10:18 pm

IE 9 and 10 do look promising for future web developers and with jQuery, a cross-browser JavaScript framework has been introduced which even allows web developers to code with advanced technology in IE 6 (which is really a bothersome plague otherwise), so IE gets less and less tiresome; yet, I still think that Microsoft is not doing XP users a favor with this, as XP is still a very solid OS (you can compare it to phpBB 2 and phpBB 3 - I still prefer phpBB 2 over phpBB 3 due to its customizability) and I would, if I had the choice, even install XP on my W7 Laptop.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by KingOfSports on June 18th 2013, 10:41 pm

Geez man...use some periods in your sentences.

IE is a pretty bad browser as is. My forum actually has javascript code to prevent people from using anything below IE7 to access it because it just can't keep up.

Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Opera, and Safari are all better alternatives. Heck, even Dolphin looks good.

The future installments of IE do look good, but I'm not going to get too excited until I try it out myself. IE has been to buggy for my liking and it will take a lot to get my support back.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by whitestarling1 on June 19th 2013, 2:55 am

Just one thought on IE at the moment. How many work based computers use IE as apposed to other browsers

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Muddle Manor on June 19th 2013, 4:48 am

The above post & also the following quote (from the editor thread) are valid concerns regarding Internet Explorer.
@Neymar1 wrote:Loads of people still use it and it's the browser that I think you'll find in most work places/schools/public computers.
As I mentioned over there, as long as IE is what comes by default on most new computers, there will remain a large chunk of the online community that uses it. And, in some cases, have no option to change. (above quote)


I waited for this thread before I clarified an earlier statement I made.
@Muddle Manor wrote:What you will never hear is anger or belittlement from me toward IE users. There's quite enough of that on the internet already.
I just want to say there's a difference between bashing IE and bashing an IE user. I've seen a lot of really mean attitudes toward the user and I find no reason for that. Some people simply don't know it's better to switch. No need to be mean about it. That's all I was trying to point out. Wink


For any IE user out there interested in switching. All you need to do is look up Google Chrome or Firefox. (or another browser mentioned in this thread) Find one of the free download links & download it. You can launch the new browser instantly without removing IE if you just want to try it out. Honestly, it is not a painful switch at all. It's highly recommended if you have the ability. (And using more than one browser is also an option.)

As a final note on the other topic of this thread, I love Windows XP ^^
When Vista came out I went & immediately bought one of the last PC's with XP still installed. It's not my main computer, but I still love knowing I have a machine with good ol' XP on it. Very Happy (But now I gotta get use to this Windows 8 thing haha sheesh, that begins for me tomorrow o.o)

Can't imagine I would have much more to say than that. Seems quite enough, yeah? Razz

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by efbe on June 19th 2013, 5:16 am

@whitestarling1 wrote:Just one thought on IE at the moment. How many work based computers use IE as apposed to other browsers

That would be most. Also you might find that the latest versions of Firefox may not work in XP without service pack 2.


I know it's a bit off topic but another solution for those who are stuck when XP expires, those who can't afford a new pc or the pc itself is too slow for Windows 7 - 8 (8 is a piece of junk IMO) is download and install Linux, most Linux Distributions have Firefox and or Google Chrome already packed into the installation disc. If your not a big Windows gamer then Linux is a good system to use. Not only that, some versions of Linux will work equally as good if not better on older pc's or laptops. And then there's no fear of getting viruses. Theres a couple of Linux Distros you can download that even look like XP and Windows 7.

I currently use ZorinOS as my main OS...and it does everything i need it to do, and at times much better than Windows. What you have to do is go to http://zorin-os.com/
Go to downoads and download the latest free edition, the best one to download is the long term support release which is supported for 5 years and that's the 6.0 LTS (long term support) It's an ISO image and once downloaded, burn the ISO image slowley to a dvd or usb stick (using Unetbootin) which can be downloaded from the internet for free. Then reboot your pc with the DVD/USB in the drive, making sure you have either on as a first option boot priority. It will then boot into a live system, giving you a chance to play and get the feel of it before deciding to install. And the installation is so easy, much easier than Windows. All codecs and drivers automatically detected and installed.

Another very good and userfriendly Linux distibution is..
Linux Mint 13, Mate or Cinamon Editions (64-bit) or (32-bit) Long term support. (5 years)
http://www.linuxmint.com/release.php?id=18

Hope it helps those who might struggle when XP dies.

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Post by SLGray on June 19th 2013, 5:21 am

The main issue for people with Windows XP will deal with security which will not be updated and supported by Microsoft.


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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Muddle Manor on June 19th 2013, 5:28 am

Ugg I do have more to post, sorry lol!

I hope it's okay to post these links here. If there's an issue, I can edit or a mod can edit. But this is what I have posted on another site for IE users. Maybe it could be a helpful resource here too. (I mostly am just copy/pasting it here, minor edits to formatting to respect the mod-only style.)




You may get tired of hearing people telling you to upgrade your browser.
You're hearing that again now. (sorry lol)

It is very likely that this entire site may seem bogged down with lag so bad you can barely even browse, let alone chat. This is due to IE.

Unless there is some issue with not having permission, or download capabilities, or other factors that makes it impossible, it is HIGHLY advisable to upgrade from IE due to it being considerably less compatible with the majority of web content these days.

Downloading and installing a new browser is a simple process. Below you will find links to two popular browsers (as well as information in case you want to read up on them before installing.) Simply click the "Download" link to the browser of your choice and follow the on-screen instructions. Your IE will still be available to use even with another browser installed.



For Information on Using More Than One Browser:

Step-By-Step installation
http://www.ehow.com/how_2033451_use-multiple-web.html

Using Multiple Browsers
http://www.wikihow.com/Organize-Yourself-Using-Multiple-Browsers
(additional link to the "Opera" browser on this page)

Benefits Of Using Multiple Browsers
http://davidmichaelangelosilva.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/the-benefits-of-using-multiple-browsers-chrome-and-firefox/

(additional note: you can always add shortcuts to different browsers making it simple to switch.)



GOOGLE CHROME DOWNLOAD https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
Information About Google Chrome: http://download.cnet.com/Google-Chrome/3000-2356_4-10881381.html


MOZILLA FIREFOX DOWNLOAD http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/
Information About Firefox: http://download.cnet.com/mozilla-firefox/


Hopefully this has been helpful and you are able to enjoy a more pleasant internet browsing experience. ^^


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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by runawayhorses on June 19th 2013, 7:16 am

@efbe wrote:Also you might find that the latest versions of Firefox may not work in XP without service pack 2.
Actually I'm pretty sure you need service pack 3 as that was the last service pack. You need service pack 3 to install most security programs too like AVG for example will tell you to install SP3 first to continue the installation.

I've had to reinstall XP several times on this machine for various reasons through the years, and I found most things will not update without SP3 including the latest version of IE. I bought my XP computer brand new just before Vista came out, I was one of the last people to get XP. Anyway my computer reinstall disk came with SP2 and IE 6 so after the re-installation I had to go get SP3 and the latest IE which was 7 or 8 at the time, because nothing would work right until I did. I tried downloading SP3 from the official windows update site but it said you can't use windows update without IE8! So then I tried to download IE 8 but it said you can't download IE8 without SP3! So it was a crazy catch22 situation for quite sometime with that stupid windows update.site.

Anyway, I had to download SP3 from a 3rd party site because the official Windows update site said my computer wasn't updated enough to use it, but after installing SP3 from the 3rd party site then the windows update site allowed me to download IE8, which also allowed me to download 200+ windows security updates I needed. My initial purpose for going to the windows update site was to get SP3, but windows update site wouldn't let me get SP3 without IE8 or IE8 without SP3. It seems Windows update site won't work unless you have the latest updates! lol

So nothing worked right on windows XP without SP3.

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Post by Ultron's Vision on June 19th 2013, 8:51 am

Hm, since XP won't get any support, I might exploit on its inner parts and have a look at it.

I still would switch to XP at any time. Oh well.

About IE... I mentioned it above as well, IE 9 and 10 do look promising (well, besides from the fact that it still won't properly support CSS3) and once IE manages to implement the ECMAScript 6 standard (will be released soon), web developers will have less trouble with using CORE JavaScript (yes, I emphasized on the core) for all browsers - something that isn't possible without frameworks (though the frameworks will still be very useful even if all ECMAScript is standardized).

If all newer Windows versions come with browsers that are conform to the newest ECMAScript releases, my life and the lifes of a many million web developers would be drastically simplified.

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Post by kirk on June 19th 2013, 1:46 pm

i remember back in the day with like IE6 i guess it was. IE used to kick butt and thats all i would ever use, then it just seemed to go down hill when i guess Microsoft stopped supporting a lot of coding that even other browsers stillsupport today.

As far as XP i guess it has had it's run for sure.But here in America. it seems 90% of the state offices, some Federal,school libraries and many other public offices and institutes are still using XP and IE is the main browser they use.

So for Microsoft i guess it is also a marketing strategy in the sense of a way that any one that is still using XP well it is a time to upgrade, preferable to win 7 or 8.. i mean i would not recommend anyone upgrade to vista and go directly to win 7 if you are able to. of course if still using XP you have to be sure your system will be compatible with it. So looks like many will end up just buying a new computer i guess.

Right now i am actually using a way way old computer with XP in it. and it is not running very good at all..LOL thank god this is just temporary. i will be getting my new system soon.

For some of the best deals to buy a new computer go to tigerdirect.com i mean they have some really reasonable prices and people can get anice brand new computers just for a couple hundred bucks and up.. lol they even have some for like 99 dolors with win 7 at times.

Um moving back on to IE. yeah i dont know whatsup with it. anyone who designs web pages it can be a nightmare at times, you can code things and all will work on all browsers then you open up IE and it's like what happened..most of the time it can just be a matter of some simple adjustments. but there have been times to where i gave up and just posted on a site that it is not recommended to use IE for the site and had a list of all other browser people can download.. but thats not always the answer either considering there is such a great deal of people that still use IE and people like to stick with things they are used to.

What really gets me, is you have Microsoft, one of the largest computer companies in the world, if not the largest but they cant seem to design a browser for shiat... lol
Iguess it all depends, i have seen others stand by IE and not even think about changing. I think in this day and age everyone should have at least three different browser. right now i have goggle chrome, IE8,Opera, Safari,Flock and firefox.. However on this computer i am on now it seems only IE works the best. but soon as i get my new system i will go back to using firefox and opera the most.

Moral of the story is, computers are like a love hate relationship. You hate to love them and love to hate them... heheh It's a good when things are running smooth, but canhave the tourge to take a baseball bat to some of them when they are not..
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@whitestarling1 wrote:Just one thought on IE at the moment. How many work based computers use IE as apposed to other browsers

Here in the U.S. I would think it would be safe to estimate at around 90% easy.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Captain Hunk on June 19th 2013, 3:22 pm

Perhaps, the best advice to give for XP users is to start looking for a new computer before April 2014. Doesn't have to be a brand new computer. It can be a used one, even an old one [about 2 years] that has been collecting dust on the store shelf. Or, if you can, build your own computer.

Most computers, used, old, or new are fairly cheap. The cheapest ones meet the minimum requirements for the operating system installed on them. The most expensive ones tend to be for gamers like myself. The rest in between vary in price and in hardware.

I, for one, have decided to build my own PC. I've been a XP user for a long time since it debut. I honestly wanted a Windows 98SE at the time I purchased it in December 2001, but the sales rep told me that the one I wanted could only work with XP. And it was the best gaming machine available. So I had to accept the new system which cost over $2000.

Over the years, I upgraded the hardware and software as needed. Even bought another in January 2007 and have done the same since. That one cost me $700. Vista had been released and the package allowed me to upgrade it to Vista. As a matter of fact, all XP computers at the time were given that opportunity to upgrade courtesy of Microsoft for free. I got the disc but chose to wait since Vista was too new, buggy, and needs a patch like XP needed to.

I learned as others have learned how awful that system was and still is. And when Windows 7 debut which was suppose to be the best ever because Microsoft listened to their customers, I didn't buy it. I remember their marketing ads. XP SP3 still ruled!

Eventually, my brother needed a laptop and none of them were XP anymore. It was all Windows7. We got him one and made sure the graphics was ATI Radeon because those with Nvidia were frying up. Such a shame too since Nvidia is the best. Fault lied with Windows and the cheap hardware made in China for Nvidia. Nevertheless, his need gave us an opportunity to see which of our games can work with Windows7. That was purchased in 2010 for $850.

So given the due date of April 2014, I'm building my own because every computer out there falls short. PC Manufacturers do that intentionally to keep the cost low. The hardware overall is sure better than what it was back in 2001 and 2006, but the PC manufacturers just do a sloppy job of putting one together. You can have a lot of RAM and storage but a lousy video card. Don't matter what your browser is when your video card sucks, it sucks! But they do it in order to get rid of those mass quantities of parts they bought. You're really being sold a lime much like a car dealer sells you a lemon. And what's their ultimate solution whenever you have a problem with your computer? lol, buy a new one. Then when I fixed it, seeing the dumb look on their face makes my day.

Well, building my own is an investment for long term use. It will have up to three operating systems installed. The first of which is XP SP3. I was fortunate enough to find one online for less than $88. Just need to buy the last two parts and then I'm good to go. Then I'll buy another hard drive for Windows7 Pro which I will need to buy as well. Once I have them, I'll follow the steps for dual-booting from Microsoft. I will be able to enjoy XP online with that hardware until April when I must use Windows7 Pro instead. Dual booting will allow me to choose which system I'd like to use at start up. When offline, XP. When going online, Win7. The third one is reserved for the future OS.

And obviously, when I finally use Win7 for online purposes, I sure as heck won't use IE at all. I'll use Chrome instead as always.Cool

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Mr MattM on June 19th 2013, 4:13 pm

The question is should FM stop supporting older browsers? Sure, as long as they communicate it in advance. It would also be helpful to have some code that will display a message box to users who are connecting with an unsupported browser. That way users will know that if they haveproblems using the site it's likely the browser and not the site itself.

I don't expect FM to regression test anything earlier than IE8, and eventhat versionshould have a limited life now. IE9/10 are much improved.

Ah, technology...

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by runawayhorses on June 19th 2013, 5:19 pm

@Muddle Manor wrote:I waited for this thread before I clarified an earlier statement I made.
@Muddle Manor wrote:What you will never hear is anger or belittlement from me toward IE users. There's quite enough of that on the internet already.
I just want to say there's a difference between bashing IE and bashing an IE user. I've seen a lot of really mean attitudes toward the user and I find no reason for that. Some people simply don't know it's better to switch. No need to be mean about it. That's all I was trying to point out. Wink
I would like to point out that I do not insult the user of Internet Explorer either but rather the browser itself. It is never my intention to insult the user but unfortunately some people can't make that distinction and differentiate between the browser they use and themselves. If your reason for telling us you don't insult the user is because of my earlier comments in the editor thread I would invite you to read it again, I insulted the browser only, not the individual. If the user somehow takes offense to the fact that I don't care for the software they use, that is none of my concern, because I did not insult them personally, only the browser, nothing more, nothing less. Saying that the majority of people that use IE are not in the "Know" is not an insult, its a mathematical certainty.

With that out of the way its nice to know that you also don't insult the users.

@Muddle Manor wrote:
Ugg I do have more to post, sorry lol!

I hope it's okay to post these links here. If there's an issue, I can edit or a mod can edit.
You need not feel that you are limited in how many posts you can make in this topic, you have unlimited amount of posts you can make. I point that out as you appeared to be reluctant to post more than once, why you felt that way escapes me because all the forum topics in the general discussion sections are open to post as much as you want provided you don't double post. The links of course are appreciated, thanks. I hope you continue in this topic you are an interesting read.

@ Kirk, Yeah I see no other option other than getting a new machine for me, as this one is a little over 10 years old and getting cranky..lol However I think I'll keep it a few more years though even if Microsoft will quit updating it next year, I'm going to be very careful about which sites I visit much like I do now, and see how long I can keep this machine running on XP. When the day comes to get a new one I'll look at my options then.

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Post by Muddle Manor on June 19th 2013, 6:12 pm

My statement wasn't about anything you said at all, Runaway Horses. Smile It was made because I've seen (on other sites/places) some truly horrendous behaviors toward the users. (And there's no getting around it was directed at the user, not the browser.) I just wanted to hopefully cut that off right at the beginning of this topic, because I tend to get a bit sharp with people who do that. LOL!

And you're right, sometimes people do get a bit touchy when you put down something they like. (Be that a browser, an OS, a musical artist, department store, etc.) I've always found it a little silly, to be honest. However, I do appreciate the benefit of being somewhat kind about it if the case involves helping the person understand in order to improve. People get close-minded when they get mad. Not saying anything against people who rage. Rage has its place and its function too. Wink It's just I usually start with kindness as a first step, personally. haha!

As for how much I post, it's me monitoring myself more than anything. I can get carried away sometimes. I'm both opinionated and longwinded. And I'm not use to posting here. So I'm trying to not be irritating.

Thank you for the kind words and glad the links are ok.

@ MrMattM : I sure do hope FM continues to put effort in to be sure the Text Editor (and other features) remain as IE compatible as possible. I realize it's a pain in the rump, but it's needed. This isn't just to be kind to a big chunk of users, this is to RETAIN said users. It's a suggestion to directly benefit Forumotion. (In my opinion.)

And I really like your idea of a message box to alert people of possible issues due to an unsupported browser if it comes to that point.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by JazeonX on June 19th 2013, 6:15 pm

Never in my ventures from public computers and Internet Cafes, that I've seen someone use IE as their browser. And in my opinion the breaking part of this message is that Microsoft won't be supporting Window XP, when in fact I could say 85% of the people uses it.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Captain Hunk on June 19th 2013, 9:14 pm

It's not just the sites themselves who will no longer support an outdated browser that people should only focus on, it's their respective ISP as well that will determine if they can get online anyway with their particular version of IE. Mine's will permit IE6 at minimum. Anything lower is incompatible. After that deadline in 2014, expect these ISPs to require IE9.

Update:
I don't want to double post here. Thought this link from Yahoo might be insightful for those who need to look for a new computer between now and April 8, 2014:
Best Time To Buy A Laptop

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Post by runawayhorses on June 20th 2013, 10:29 pm

Speaking of updating browsers, I went on twitter today using Internet explorer 8 and twitter has a popup window that popped up saying "You are viewing the mobile version of twitter because your browser is outdated, please update your browser". The twitter page looked terrible and small.

So if IE 8 is getting that popup message at twitter you can bet all the other versions of IE under 8 are too.

Whats funny is IE 8 is updated, its as updated as it can be for windows XP. What they really mean is use another browser because you're on windows XP.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Mr MattM on June 20th 2013, 11:23 pm

@runawayhorses wrote:
Whats funny is IE 8 is updated, its as updated as it can be for windows XP. What they really mean is use another browser because you're on windows XP.

That's exactly right. For those who plan to stick with XP, they simply need to change browsers.

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Post by runawayhorses on June 20th 2013, 11:46 pm

Right you are. I think everyone might as well face it any version of Internet Explorer from 8 on down is an old outdated browser. When popular websites like twitter start telling you with popup alerts you need to update your browser that is a clear indication you need to do so. For me I use Firefox and Chrome, but Firefox mostly its my default browser on this XP machine. I just wanted to see what twitter looked like on IE 8.

We can only hope that the 2nd most popular and widely used operating system in the world (XP) that its users are not still using Internet Explorer, but they probably are.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Muddle Manor on June 21st 2013, 2:51 am

Well, here I sit on my new rig, equipped with Windows 8. *sigh*

Couple funny things that made me think of this thread as I began my journey.

First funny thing... (granted I had a little service done, so this isn't "fresh out of the box" but ...) The service technician installed Google Chrome onto my hard drive. It was done without permission, so that part irks me a bit. But I would have done it anyway, so no harm, no foul. But it just goes to show people in the industry recognize the need for an upgrade from IE.

And the next funny thing is the following image which popped up soon after I attained connection to the internet. I admit I'm not exactly up-to-date on IE's future like some of you seem to be, but I have a feeling this goes along with many things being discussed here.



Sorry, but I had to laugh.
Razz

P.S. I clicked "No Thanks"

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by efbe on June 21st 2013, 3:15 am

How do you find Windows 8 M.M... Do you like it?

Iv'e had to try and help many who hate it to get Windows 7 or even Linux installed on new PC's / laptops.

Unfortunately, Microsoft have included Secured boot on new PC's that have Windows 8, meaning it's very hard or near impossible to delete and install Windows 7 or any another operating system like Linux.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Muddle Manor on June 21st 2013, 4:35 am

Yeah, that stinks about how it's hard to downgrade. I wish they made that easier. But I suppose they need to force some people into change. (my jaded self aside for a moment haha)

I think I need to refrain from commenting too much about Win8 ...
(this isn't really a Windows 8 discussion, even if it's sorta pertinent)

But I also need to give myself time to poke around before I allow myself to be grumpy. Wink

However, I have to say (first impressions) it's not as bad as I've heard. I'm finding my way around fairly quickly & have set myself up so it feels more like a Win7 environment. With that said, I still think the "start screen" is moronic to say the least. Maybe my impression will change as I get use to it. (hopeful prediction I doubt will come true haha!)

I still get sad reading this thread & knowing poor old XP is getting the shank. Just glad other browsers work on it! Very Happy

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by efbe on June 21st 2013, 9:42 am

It is sort of a Windows 8 discussion as it involves members needing to upgrade their PC's later when XP stops supporting updates.
What will members do when that time rolls around? Buy a new pc / laptop with Windows 8 and find out later that Win 8 stinks and cannot install Win 7 ? or buy from a private builder who can build a new pc with Windows 7 installed (probably a cheaper option in most cases) or risk staying with XP.

Then again you have those who can't afford to upgrade and i would say there are many that can't.

Windows XP was a popular OS and Microsoft did extend it's life due to it's popularity, ... pity it's almost time to end. Very Happy

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Muddle Manor on June 21st 2013, 10:49 am

I agree. And good point.

What's sad is I wanted Windows 7 ideally. I investigated the options and price-wise (also option-wise) I had to admit just jumping into Windows 8 was inevitable for me. I could have been stubborn about it, but with an impending hard drive failure time wasn't an option. And the more time that passes will make avoiding Windows 8 nearly impossible. (Unless you just bought a Win7 machine. LOL!) That's what I did with my old XP machine and it's still plugging along, having lived through Vista and Win7.

I weighed the options & decided to experience Windows 8. Other people may decide to avoid it like the plague & quick buy up a Windows 7 computer while they still can.

I've put up with the post-XP operating systems. There were some gross times in there, but I survived them all, even Vista. lmao! I figure I'll survive Windows 8 as well. That's technology: it changes. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. And sometimes it's just a shock to the system & takes people a while to get use to it.

It's good information about the inability to downgrade easily that you pointed out. Might make Windows 8 scarier for some people, but still really good to know. And you're right, people might need to start making plans one way or the other given the apparent attitude Microsoft has toward XP. Sad That OS will, no doubt, live in dignity long past its time. Loved by so many.

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Post by Derri on June 21st 2013, 1:04 pm

I have IE10 for windows 8 so I can't say I'm too worried. XP had a good life but its time to move and that also mean older browsers must move on as well.


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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Captain Hunk on June 21st 2013, 3:41 pm

All depends what the user needs the computer for. They offered the Netbook for those who wanted to do simple internet stuff. Now they have ipads and tablets for such users. Windows 8 was meant for such purposes with those devices. But those know-it-alls decided to force desktop and laptop users to accept their new platform so they can cash in big time. That didn't sit well with desktop and laptop users. And as a result of the backlash, Microsoft is coming with 8.1 to correct their arrogant move. Might mend some fences but I highly doubt it. Their arrogance is still there and consumers aren't buying it as readily as they once did. Once your reputation is ruined where do you go to get it back?

Microsoft will need Bill Gates to return and do some Walk Down Memory Lane campaign. It was his intent to put every PC in the home. He did that and made it user friendly. None of his systems came close to MAC except for XP shockingly. Once he became successful, he forgot that and then turned the company over to someone else to run it while Bill does his philanthropy work around the world.

Returning to run his own company would be the first step in the right direction. The next one is to overhaul their approach to operating systems. Design them the common sense way and no different. Then they will get their reputation back.

To be fair, it's not all Microsoft's fault. All these other technological giants in the hardware and software industry have largely depended their success on the consumer's ignorance about computers in general. As long as it's working of course consumers don't care about these matters. The moment it doesn't, they have a choice to make: either pay a lot of money to repair the problem, or just buy a new one. Retail stores usually push you to buy a new one off the shelf which are junk to those of us in the know. Then they offer you an extended warranty for the next just-in-case moment. Same practice when doing it online with the computer manufacturer. They are so eager to get you to buy an old one to make room for newer machines.

That cycle no longer works. Consumers have woken up to this long-held practice and the companies are getting their comeuppance. Being taken advantage of is wrong. Members here are upset with the way the Beta version of the Editor Mode was rushed without notifying them in advance. That's a legitimate grievance. There's no excuse for not being considerate. And yes they are fixing the problems as quickly and as methodically as possible. That's good. Just learn from this and notify members the next time around what you're releasing at such-and-such time. How would they like it if the chef at their restaurant of choice rushed their meals to the table? lol you sure wouldn't want anything buggy with that! rofl

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by runawayhorses on June 22nd 2013, 6:17 pm

Congrats Muddle Manor thats great you've upgraded to Windows 8! I'm sure in time you'll have that system figured out just like you did XP.

Oh and good for you for not setting IE as your default browser! Smile

By the time I get a new OP they'll probably have Windows 12 out..lol

When I do finally get around to getting a new PC I want the latest edition out at that time. If it gets semi good reviews I'll get it. Also I want another desk-top like I have now not a laptop, I like a nice sturdy computer setting on a desk or table.

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by Muddle Manor on June 22nd 2013, 10:00 pm

lol thanks (I hope)

I remain nervous about Windows 8. I would compare it more to learning Vista than XP. (XP was good LOL!) I'm hoping some of the gross stuff will get patched away. Far far away. I'm able to use it, but it doesn't mean I like it.

Navigating system settings (not to mention the atrocity that the "start button" has become) is a nightmare due to the overly large and cartoon-like layout. I saw many reviews saying people's 5 year old children can use it with no problem. I'm not surprised. It seems designed for kids. For us adults accustomed to seeing standard lists of text, rather than big, silly, colorful boxes - it's actually quite a hard change to make. Imagine trying to write a letter with an oversized pencil. Yeah, it's like that. do-able, but irritating. I hope they patch in some way to change the view. That would help immensely. This issue is largely due to what Captain Hunk said in his last post, especially the following:
@Captain Hunk wrote:All depends what the user needs the computer for. They offered the Netbook for those who wanted to do simple internet stuff. Now they have ipads and tablets for such users. Windows 8 was meant for such purposes with those devices. But those know-it-alls decided to force desktop and laptop users to accept their new platform so they can cash in big time. That didn't sit well with desktop and laptop users. And as a result of the backlash, Microsoft is coming with 8.1 to correct their arrogant move.
That's exactly right.

Also found my first incompatible program. The Sims 2. The program itself doesn't matter. But the fact that some applications will face a brick wall is troubling. I cringe to think what other more important programs I may be faced with not being able to use anymore. Again, hopefully in time that will be corrected. But who knows. Sometimes technology just leaves old programs to rot in the dust and we're forced to adapt. This is exactly why I made sure to buy a brand new machine with XP installed when Vista came out. I heard about some incompatibility issues and I wanted to be sure I had a machine in new condition to last me as long as possible. Thank goodness I did that because I still rely on that machine for old, outdated programs I still use. Now I'll be even more protective of that old computer!

As mentioned, my main desktop machine is XP. All my other experiences with OSs since then have been on laptops. Part of the reason I've experienced the various operating systems - laptops just aren't as sturdy like you said. And I have to admit I'm pretty hard on them. I work & play hard and treat them like they're a desktop. They just simply aren't. Hence, why my hard drive is about to become an A-bomb. haha! Wink

As for IE, I actually always use Chrome as my default browser. I just use IE to test web pages on the sites where I administer and feel responsible for members. I changed my profile here to say I use IE as a result of the text editor issues. I don't mind representing IE users in cases like this. And, funny enough, sometimes I've found that IE will display a page (or function) better than Chrome or Firefox. It's rare, but it does happen. So I keep IE around. It would be nice if the rumors of IE finally catching up with technology were true, since that's the default browser in most cases. I still can't get over that. *wags finger at Microsoft*

I hope for your sake by the time you get a new machine, whatever operating system is currently out will be a bit more functional than Win8 is now. It's not impossible to use, but it's also not what I would call awesome. I'm seeing first-hand why people are complaining. Smile

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Re: Microsoft No Longer Supporting XP - Ends April 8, 2014

Post by ILikeApples on June 23rd 2013, 1:27 am

ahhhh that suck

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